OPINIONS NEEDED PLEASE..................!

1stcarsapolo · Post by **1stcarsapolo** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:04 am

Hi all,

For the past two years I have been driving a mk 4 6n with good few mods, 8 inch wide borbet design t's, lowered 40mm, tints, debaged all round, custom tv in dash,(see my signiture) playstation 2, a few amps with 6x9s etc . Im currently in college and do not use the car except at weekends as i live on campus down country. I have two years left in my course.
Recently I have been thinking about selling all the parts off my polo and buying a mk3 to keep in my garage and work on till i get out of college. I would hope to completely smooth it with a full matt black respray, coilovers deep dish rims (possibly 9" schmits) and tune it in these two years. This would mean that I would just be insuring myself in my parents standard car for the weekends. Ive looked around and ideally have a g40 but they are impossible to find.
I was just wondering what model should I go for that is cheap and has serious potential for tuning over 100bhp. A friend who drives a 106 rallye (137bhp and f*****g quick because it weighs as much as my right shoe) has told me a normal cheap old ladies 1.3 with throttle bodies, exhaust, chip, induction kit would be bloody quick too. Anyone second this for me? I can do most work myself and have great friends who also can help so I reckon in the two years I could build something special. Should I go for it as I am extremely dedicated and also have a big garage to work in and for storage. Basically I need suggestions of the best route to take and base car to chose.
Thanks for reading my essay sorry it was so long I just do not want to make a mistake and sell my 6n and regret it. Any replies would be much appreciated, Thanks a million all! Cliff........

PeteJ · Post by **PeteJ** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:14 am

ey! thats what im trying to do! apart from the alloys..
i reckon you could pick up a mk3 coupe for pennies and even swap a gt engine over to it with little problem or cost if you know whats what

go for it!

*edit* one other thing, if you go to uni you CANT afford a modded car. at all. ever. i tried it doesnt work. (im still trying to get rid of it!!)

so if your gonna mod it, do it damn quick and leave it alone when your at uni!

Matty2021 · Post by **Matty2021** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:00 pm

I think you'd be able to pick up a GT quite easily and they're meant to shift! (Im in the process of sorting a GT conversion on mine)

Plus the insurance on these are quite low which is always a bonus!

I love the Mk3s and would tend to say go for it especially as you don't use your other car much. And if you are dedicated I think youll be able to make a really sweet euro look sleeper (this is the look your goin for? thats just what I gathered from your write up)

There are tons of people on here who sell cars all the time so I'd just keep my eyes open if I were you

Mk2Adam · Post by **Mk2Adam** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:09 pm

if you're looking for 100bhp+ then a GT won't really be suitable, a G40 would be the obvious way to go, but as you said they aren't easy to pick up, but theres plenty around if you're prepared to travel, plus if you're doing the whole shazam on it then you won't have to be as picky as normal, keep an eye open on here, club polo and pitstop and they come up for sale pretty regular

PeteJ · Post by **PeteJ** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:30 pm

im curious, what bhp will a GT make with heavy mods then? i know the G40 is roughly 100bhp stock (little bit more + same in torque) so what kind of punch is a GT packing?
of course if your after a GT you can always slap on an eaton charger

Mk2Adam · Post by **Mk2Adam** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:03 pm

a highly modded GT will be getting around 90-100bhp.....a G40 will be 113bhp as standard, and then can be pushed up to 150bhp with some mods, but they can exceed 200bhp depending on how heavy you'll be tuning.

PeteJ · Post by **PeteJ** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:12 am

didnt realise you could get so much out of a g40! my g60 was nearing the 200 mark but it would cost a fair ammount to push it past that!
does anyone have info on charging a gt engine? or charging and n/a engine? sorry for hijacking this thread but im interested in this!
i was wondering about perhaps the 1.4 16v from the 6n with an eaton or similar.... (given away my secret!)
would imagine you could get some quite nice figures form that.. perhaps 170bhp ish maybe more.

sweetinglooney · Post by **sweetinglooney** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:17 pm

You cant supercharge a gt engine the thing aint strong enough,engine in g40 is built to with stand more power

PeteJ · Post by **PeteJ** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:24 pm

im guessing different pistons etc?
cant be a great deal of difference. the 8v gti engine is a slightly higher compression version of the g60 minus the supercharger very little difference on the inside...
im sure its do-able with some work?
any ideas on more modern engines?

quinny · Post by **quinny** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:36 pm

To get a GT capable of withstanding boost you will need to pretty much turn it into a G40, which will cost one hell of a lot more than it would be to buy one in the first place.

AW Tracksport stuck an Eaton on a 6n 1.4 8V I think, it wasn't particularly quick at inters.

You can tune a GT/NZ for power well over 100bhp, Paul Cauldwell's for example. The fact is that the cost to tune the GT to anywhere near 113bhp (standard G40) will be more than actually just buying a G40, the torque on a G40 is immense, something a GT will struggle to get anywhere near.

The G40's are cheap to tune and the gains you receive will be far more impressive than from spending the same on a GT engine.

If you have a few thousand for the car and insurance you should buy the G40, immediately have the charger rebuilt to either a Full Blend (Pitstop Developments) or R1 spec (Jabba Sport) buy a 65mm pulley or toothed pullies, remap the car or buy a suitable generic chip and buy the large induction kit. The mods should set you back around about Â£1000.00. You should be looking at power between 130 / 140bhp (or possibly slightly more) depending upon the condition of the engine, boost pipes and the condition of the intecooler.

*EDIT*
G60's are heavy old things, the cars that they are in come with loads of creature comforts. The engines are slow revving compared to the G40. I don't think that the engine is cross flow either which ins't good for the heat. I am pretty sure that the G40 was deliberately restricted by VW because it had the potential as standard to out perform the G60. The huge wedge in the air box, the tiny bores on the inlet manifold, the massive wedges on the butterfly for example.

Hope that may be of some use to you.

PeteJ · Post by **PeteJ** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:24 pm

ah i see.
much the same argument as buying 8v/g60 engines
leave my poor fat old g60 alone

hehe tis a fat old beast, but its still got some ridiculous pace for it weight and age.
good info. me go plot.

quinny · Post by **quinny** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:32 pm

Oh no doubt the G60 is a potent machine and will undoubtly produce more power than a G40, and if all the creature comforts are removed then the weight should come down one hell of a lot. The handling on the Corrado and Golf is far superior to the Polo and the 4 wheel drive of the Golf Ralyee is a big advantage.