Need help on Side Assist

[sejuani]

Hellow everyone,
I'm sejuani from Taiwan.
I have a POLO 6R 1.6 105hp CLSA hatchback.
Thanks to the information given by masters like ciclo and iichel on this forum,
I have successfully installed Alarm Horn, Boots Lights, Cruise Control, DRL, OPS and RLHS myself

Now, I want to install 3C-Lane Change(side assist) but stucked at some processes
At present, I have finished following steps:
1. Upgrading the instrument cluster from Midline to MFA (6JA 920 940 C SW 0709)
2. Editing the instrument cluster EEPROM, Activating Lane Assistance and Side Assistance

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3. Installing the BSD module and Wiring (Not include indicators, still need some time)

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2. Coding, 03 01 11 02
3. Chacking 3C-Lane Change in 19-CAN Gateway install list

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4. Updating the BSD module HW(5Q0 907 686 C 0080) to 0081
5. Filling the parameterization V03935276UZ
6. Activating the Analysis 4 in adaptation channel(with entering the access code 20103)
7. Auto calibration to 100%

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Eventhouhg I have completed the previous steps, I still cannot see Side Assist on my instrument cluster.
After seaching information on this forum and drive2, I come up with 2 possible solutions
First,changing BCM from 087 to 090 or 18D 937 087(unconfirmed information from china forum)
Second, changing radio from RCD330 to discover media
Or if there is any other possible solution that I have missed?
I'll be really appreciated if anyone can give me some advices.

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01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CLSA)       Labels: 
   Part No SW: 03C 906 014 FR    HW: 03C 906 014 
   Component: CLSA-MM7GV-G  H02 8635  
   Revision: --H02---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 001A0014022400000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 08192
   VCID: 72E1870AAEAF28DFAA-5178

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 750 LK    HW: 09G 927 750 LK
   Component: AQ 250 6F           2601  
   Revision: 00H98000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000328
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 08192
   VCID: 050BCCD64F212F679F-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.lbl
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 CB    HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
   Component: ESP9.0i front H04 0003  
   Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 61DD2463422603C2861A246E4259C0400809
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 08192
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003031
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_003_VW21.rod
   VCID: 0005DDC29B030A4FAC-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 654     HW: 6R0 959 654 
   Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H07 0070  
   Serial number: 02081613470700
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001
   ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
   VCID: 7EF9A33AE1F77CBFDE-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 Q    HW: 6R0 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H12 0615  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 418318C6D889C347E3-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6RU 937 087 P    HW: 6RU 937 087 
   Component: BCM IM H+4    H41 0444  
   Revision: BZ041001    Serial number: 8700 110170564
   Coding: 3AB02FF808F36E00B33800006DAB969000C860FF608E0100220000000A00
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 6FE78E7EBE9D053745-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 547 
   Component: RLHS 091221 0  50  0107 
   Coding: 0728DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 EC    HW: 6R0 959 801 EC  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  023 2551 
   Serial number: 13102851160307203215
   Coding: 640000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 EG    HW: 6R0 959 802 EG  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  023 2551 
   Serial number: 13102850160217193348
   Coding: 640000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 6RU 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 6RU 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442     HW: 6C0 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023 
   Serial number: 0431722560500067AB2B
   Coding: 240000

   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 S    HW: 6R0 959 811 S
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  022 1552 
   Serial number: 13202728170223141457
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 S    HW: 6R0 959 812 S
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  022 1552 
   Serial number: 13102729170223103338
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 L    HW: 56D 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H02 0106  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 35841522901332
   Coding: 308001
   Shop #: WSC 01681 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3B7F6A2EB265A997B9-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J    HW: 6R0 959 655 J
   Component: VW10AirbagU0J H10 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GW019WCZB
   Coding: 00304A
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 08192
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 499300E6E8B90B073B-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6JA 920 940 C    HW: 6JA 920 940 C
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 141800
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 3C7D6932B76BAEAFB0-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 
   Part No SW: 6RU 909 901     HW: 6RU 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H41 0444  
   Revision: BZ041001    
   Coding: 002204
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 193390A61099BB874B-804C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6AD19F6A8D7FE01F12-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:. 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 C    HW: 5Q0 907 686 C
   Component: HRE_Master    H12 0081  
   Serial number: 0484698770
   Coding: 03011102
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: no
   VCID: 3D7B6436AC71A7A787-8068

No ASAM Dataset: "EV_HREntryHella" (VW25) 
No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
   Part No SW: 1S1 909 144 P    HW: 1S1 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ECU       H51 1702  
   Coding: 0001000101000000
   Shop #: WSC 33930 004 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 014008
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_014.rod
   VCID: 40851DC2DB83CA4FEC-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: MIB2-S-R-CN   036 0358  
   Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ6Z2Q7089808
   Coding: 1E000440040000
   Shop #: WSC 00081 790 00126
   VCID: 46890BDAF1A7E47FD6-8012

No fault code found.

[iichel]

Interesting, SW 0709 was ok for my cluster menu.

[patil]

@ sejuani welcome! nice to see a detailed post.

It's highly likely that your present gateway (6RU) won't support side assist. 7E0 gateway( 7E0 BCM's) definitely supports it. And also, Discover media/ composition media is required for rear traffic alert (RTA) guide lines to work. I don't think DM/CM is required for side assist to work, but I am not 100% sure.
Unless you have a working side assist menu in cluster to activate side assist, there is no way you can have working side assist even though you have done complete installation.

I would start looking at your edited eeprom dump to begin with. Please share your edited IC eeprom dump here. Upload it to some file hosting site and post the link here. Thank you

[sejuani]

Interesting, SW 0709 was ok for my cluster menu.

@ sejuani welcome! nice to see a detailed post.

It's highly likely that your present gateway (6RU) won't support side assist. 7E0 gateway( 7E0 BCM's) definitely supports it. And also, Discover media/ composition media is required for rear traffic alert (RTA) guide lines to work. I don't think DM/CM is required for side assist to work, but I am not 100% sure.
Unless you have a working side assist menu in cluster to activate side assist, there is no way you can have working side assist even though you have done complete installation.

I would start looking at your edited eeprom dump to begin with. Please share your edited IC eeprom dump here. Upload it to some file hosting site and post the link here. Thank you

Thanks for your reply, I'll buy a CH341A Programmer first and try to load my EEPROM.(Actually, the EEPROM editing above is done by my friend)
So, I need to check 0454, To activate side assist, bit 0 must be 1, is that correct?

[ciclo]

Edit, updated!

Side Assist indication, instrument cluster non-3D. MaDwArLoCk IC https://a.d-cd.net/PyAAAgCH-uA-1920.jpg , https://www.drive2.ru/l/531400018091835697/
02DB ... enable bit1

Side Assist indication, instrument cluster 3D.
02F6 ... from 18 to 98 ... enable bit7

Side Assist menu.
0454 ... from 10 to 13 ... enable bit0 and bit1

[til3tsio]

Interesting, SW 0709 was ok for my cluster menu.

@ sejuani welcome! nice to see a detailed post.

It's highly likely that your present gateway (6RU) won't support side assist. 7E0 gateway( 7E0 BCM's) definitely supports it. And also, Discover media/ composition media is required for rear traffic alert (RTA) guide lines to work. I don't think DM/CM is required for side assist to work, but I am not 100% sure.
Unless you have a working side assist menu in cluster to activate side assist, there is no way you can have working side assist even though you have done complete installation.

I would start looking at your edited eeprom dump to begin with. Please share your edited IC eeprom dump here. Upload it to some file hosting site and post the link here. Thank you

Thanks for your reply, I'll buy a CH341A Programmer first and try to load my EEPROM.(Actually, the EEPROM editing above is done by my friend)
So, I need to check 0454, To activate side assist, bit 0 must be 1, is that correct?

In my 6JA cluster , when I had software 0711 I had to change x0454 from 20 to 13 (it disables PDC menu), 23 or 33 does not work , you must disable pdc menu bit !
and if you solder the 2 leds and the other components for the indicators in your cluster, change x02db from 80 to 82 (bit 1 on) and make sure x02f9 bit 1 is on (7e in my case).

[sejuani]

First, I want to thank iichel, patil, ciclo and til3tsio again.
After long time waitting, I received my CH341A for loading EEPROM few days ago.
I follow your suggestions to check 0454 and change from 21 to 13.
Guess what?It works!

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I am so glad to see Side Assist menu finally show up on my cluster

[patil]

Excellent
Now we know that 6RU gateway does support side assist.
When I did the installation of side assist in my 6R, I didn't have to edit eeprom to enable the side assist menu in my Polo gti cluster (sw 805). The side assist menu along with the RTA menu ( DM previously installed) appeared automatically. This means that, both the menus are activated by default in my cluster.



Out of curiosity, I checked my IC eeprom dump today. The byte address 0454 value is "10" instead of expected "13".



Probably the side assist menu byte address is different in Polo gti clusters

[ciclo]

My 6R GTI IC eeprom (original).


The eeprom address for the Side Assist in the 0805 SW 6R GTI IC 2015-->... is the same as the same eeprom models.

From what I have been able to observe, the Side Assist, Lane Change, BSD, RTA, RCTA, Brightness intensity, will appear on the different MFD screens depending on the radar models installed, and it may appear in several menus/screens so that it is fully accessible.
@Patil
Do you also have access to side assist from the MFD main menu? Or only from the assistants menu?

The darkness confuses us...

[til3tsio]

Let me write down my observations.
I have used on my Toledo 6J instruments many different firmwares to test them out.
I have tested 06xx, 07xx, 08xx, 100x, 11xx from different pq25 vehicles.
I have 5q0..C radars and for the rear traffic alert menu to appear you have to use a firmware that is 08xx or newer, it is dependent neither on radio nor BCM.
In the x454 address staring from 08xx firmware the default is 10 and the menus appears without editing, also on transporter 1xxx eeprom I have seen 14 and the menu also appears.
All these test were done using firmwares that are available online on the "disks" except the 1009 amarok together with the vdo editor libraries.

Almost 2 years now am using 1009 amarok firmware and everything was working but a few weeks back the blindspot menu that is located in settings > assistants disappeared but everything is still visible on the MFD assistants specific page and I have no clue what is wrong.

[ciclo]

In relation to the loss of the BSD menu in the settings menu, you already know that due to very diverse and different reasons, communication failures occur between units, consequently wrong messages are generated, which can partially or completely disable the functions of the units involved.
I assume you have scanned your car to find out something about it.
Have you recently noticed any malfunctions with your radars? False detecctions/positives.
Have you done any other retrofitting recently?
Have you tried to remove the negative battery ('hard reset') to see if you can recover it?

[til3tsio]

Blindspot is still working as it should and it is still available on MFD assistants screen and I can toggle activation normally.
But assistants menu is not available in settings screen anymore.
The only error that I have is on pdc because I have a 1k8 unit and I have already tried "hard resetting" the car, also nothing changed in the car to trigger the loss of the menu.
In the bottom line if I can still see it from the main screen and it is working ok I don't mind , but I am just wondering how it disappeared from settings

[patil]

@Patil
Do you also have access to side assist from the MFD main menu? Or only from the assistants menu?

The darkness confuses us...

I have the side assist option only in assistants as I shown in the above post. In the main menu, after installing 1K8 OPS module, I got a separate menu for park assist through which I can enable or disable auto 8K ops.





@til3tsio thank you for additional information.
I guess all these assistants display on MID depend on IC firmware, Gateway version, Radio MIB models etc.. which will have different communication protocols with involved modules.

[ciclo]

OK, thanks Patil.
I exactly wanted to know if 'Assistants' appeared in the settings/main menu, ... in addition to the Assistants menu.
To understand us, without the BSD radars installed (at this time), I do not have the 'Assistants' in the settings, however, I have the Assistants menu where is the Driver Alert.