6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

[ciclo]

6R0937087M Yes, CCS is possible with this BCM.

[aayushnair]

Hi Ciclo,

Let me first say this all members here, I dont have a VW Polo, but i come pretty close with a Skoda Fabia. I'm sorry if i dont belong ,but i need some help from you guys, so here goes!

My Fabia is a type 2 5J 2011 model, 1.2 tdi no different from the other Polo you've been helping out for (from India). My engine no too is CFWA and i have this (low line version of MFD) http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachmen ... luster.jpg - except its in green.

What i've done so far:
1. I have the CCS and TRIP stalks installed - 6RD 953 503 J
2. I've fitted a Highline BCM (6R7930787M)
3. I've wired the Stalks, BCM and ECU as per the diagram in your posts

But i'm not able to get it to work, am I missing something here?

The only difference i saw in one post was to connect wires to the instrument cluster. MY instrument cluster displays temperature, DTE, Fuel Consumption, trip, digital speed, avg speed. I can move between menus using the button on the stalks.
Do I need to add those 3 wires to the cluster?

Please help, as i'm out of ideas now.

Cheers,
Aayush

[ciclo]

Hi Ciclo

Cheers,
Aayush

Hi aayushnair.

Auto scan? Thanks.

[aayushnair]

Hi Ciclo,

Update, got it to work! The Stalks (CCS) was not connected properly to T41 - done by just pushing the connector in correctly!

The other thing is, that there's no CCS display on the cluster, any fix for this and a few errors on the scan that i'm not able to get rid of?

Here's the scan:

Wednesday,17,February,2016,11:00:42:62939

Chassis Type: 5J (6N0)
Scan: 01 09 15 17 19 25 44

VIN: TMBFKC5J1BG*******

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine (J0000-CFWA) Labels: 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
Part No SW: 03P 906 021 R HW: 03P 906 021 R
Component: R3 1.2 DCM3.7 H04 9312
Revision: 13001001 Serial number:
Coding: 00110012032100000000
Shop #: WSC 01234 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021R 001009
ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AC.rod
VCID: 377DCD578EB85FA6659-8062

1 Fault Found:
13976 - No Communication with Instrument Cluster
U0155 00 [063] - -
Confirmed - Not Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 4
Mileage: 67117 km
Date: 2055.14.03
Time: 00:19:28

Readiness: 1010 1000

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 6R7 937 087 M HW: 6R7 937 087 M
Component: PQ25 BCM H28 0555
Revision: -1------ Serial number: --------------
Coding: 7C980B9808D30748002000003C2890000080000F60000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 4E9388B31922FE6E56F-801B

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 M HW: 6R0 959 802 M Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 002 3210
Coding: 030000

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 P HW: 6R0 959 801 P Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 002 3210
Coding: 020000

1 Fault Found:
03579 - Terminal 30 for Rear Window Heating
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 71184 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2055.14.03
Time: 00:19:23


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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J HW: 6R0 959 655 J
Component: VW10AirbagR03 H09 0020
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003GW0037KRM
Coding: 003033
Shop #: WSC 01234 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_SE25.rod
VCID: 4999BBAFE84CD95603D-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: None
Part No SW: 5JF 920 800 A HW: 5JF 920 800 A
Component: KOMBI X12 0009
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 720800
Shop #: WSC 01234 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04061
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE36.rod
VCID: 3979CB6FB8AC49D693D-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 6R7 937 087 M
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H28 0555
Revision: -1------
Coding: 032300
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: F0EFB64B2356489EE43-80A5

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 71184 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2055.14.03
Time: 00:19:23

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: None
Part No SW: 5JF 920 800 A HW: 5JF 920 800 A
Component: IMMO X12 0009
Serial number:
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03007
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK25.rod
VCID: 3979CB6FB8AC49D693D-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792) Labels: 6Rx-909-144-44.clb
Part No SW: 6RF 909 144 H HW: 6RF 909 144 G
Component: EPS_ECU H25 0321
Coding: 0000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK 004004
ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK.rod
VCID: 51A993CF001CE1964BD-8004

No fault code found.

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DO let me know what i need to do for the above if possible?

Cheers,
Aayush

[iichel]

remove all errors and see if they come back. there is at least 2000km difference between your errors so good chances they are pretty old

[aayushnair]

remove all errors and see if they come back. there is at least 2000km difference between your errors so good chances they are pretty old

The instrument cluster (no communication) has been there in spite of clearing it in the past.
The others are new after installing the new BCM!

..also tried to remove these, but they come back all over again!

Cheers

[ciclo]

Try this coding.
7C980B9808D30748002000003C2890800080000F60000000000000000000
Also verify that the connector on the Heated rear window has not detached.

Do you have an auto scan from your previous bcm with factory coding?

[aayushnair]

Sure I'll give it a go!
Also I don't have a heated rear window! They removed this feature here in India to cut costs (bummer).

Don't have scans from the previous bcm, but I did copy the long coding for can gateway and central electrics before I swapped the bcm.

The instrument cluster error was on even on the old one.

Also I don't know if it will make a difference but I used the same coding I had copied from the old one and then made changes by adding cruise control and all.

One more thing, previously the car would give an audible lock/unlock conformation, now it's only visual with the turn indicators in spite of the option being activated on bcm.

I'll post the codes once I'm home!

Cheers

[aayushnair]

Hi,

The coding on the old BCM was as:

1. Central Electrics: 7C980B9848F30D40002004003E6890000008400F60002000000000000000
2. CAN Gateway: 032300
3. Engine: 00110012030100000000

[iichel]

my suggestions...

BCM:
your old: 7C980B9848F30D40002004003E6890000008400F60002000000000000000
ciclo: 7C980B9808D30748002000003C2890800080000F60000000000000000000
new: 7C98B9808D30748002000003C2890000080000F60000000000000000000

byte 15 bit 7: disabled (rear heated window)
byte 17 bit 7: enabled (cruise control

Engine:
byte 5 bit 5 enabled (cruise control)
00110012030100000000
00110012030120000000

[aayushnair]

Thanks, I'll give them a go.

Just something I was also thinking about, the new bcm has these new ports which aren't connected to anything (wires) as the car didn't come with some options (heated Windows etc) and hence the errors?

what about the display for cruise control on the cluster. Can anything be done for this?

Regards,
Aayush.

[Strayion]

Hi Guys

Finally i was able to install ccs in my polo tdi india with success. It was a very tedious job. Working in the footwell without removing seat compounded the difficulties as it became a physical challenge as well. Now I recommend that the seat should be removed.

Inserting pins in bcm was hard but in the end i could place my mobile in video mode with flash on at a strategic place next to the bcm connectors and see everything magnified on the screen from the steering side opening. Extending the idea further one can use a flexible usb camera with laptop to make things easier.

Information guidance provided by the forumn members (ciclo, gannu, robert......many more) helped me a lot. Thank you all without your help i could not have done it.


Cheers
Strayion

[aayushnair]

Hey buddy! That's great! I've also just finished the install.
Did you upgrade the instrument cluster?

If not do you get the CCS display on the cluster, did you do something specific to get this?

Do share!

Cheers,
Aayush

[iichel]

You'll get the icon on the cluster as soon as you activate CCS in the BCM and ECU, and activate cruise control while driving

[aayushnair]

So that's what hasn't happened. CCS works but not the display on the cluster. Everything else but the CCS display works.
Did u connect those 3 wires to ur cluster from the t41 connector to support high and low?

Cheers