6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

[iichel]

I have a feeling you're having an MQB car, which is not the kind of car you can install cruise control in without specialized tools.
You need to code the cruise control using ODIS to activate the SVM/FEC document.

There is no diode in your Ibiza 6P.

Wiring:

stalk
1 fuse ACC
2 T94/56 + T73a/53
3 T73a/29
4 T94/56, T73a/53
5 T73a/28
6 T73a/52

[StefanH]

Hi iichel,

thank you for your quick reply.

Okay, than I did everything pretty well. I connected everything as you described already during the weekend. I just left out the wire to the ECU and hadn't the right steering wheel levers.
I already programmed via ODIS and got an EPC lamp on, because communication with the steering wheel levers still missing.

The right steering wheel levers will arrive on Friday, than I am ready to use my cruise control.

If you are interested in, I did the work mostly by the following manual: (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1griKFx ... sp=sharing).

Thank you very much!

[StefanH]

Okay.... Today my new steering wheel lever arrived and I assembled everything again.

Still get the following error:

Donnerstag,04,März,2021,17:11:16:00009
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Adresse 01: Motorelektronik Labeldatei: DRV\04E-907-309-V1.clb
Steuergerät-Teilenummer: 04E 906 027 BB HW: 04E 907 309 AF
Bauteil und/oder Version: R4 1.2l TFS H22 9085
Codierung: 01110012232410080000
Betriebsnummer: WSC 00049 770 00190
ASAM Datensatz: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB 001009 (SE26)
ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB.rod
VCID: 65C104937C61CFAE81-8031
2 Fehlercodes gefunden:

17149 - Codierung/Varianten der Steuergeräte im Antriebsstrang prüfen
P1647 00 [167] - -
[Neue Funktion! Erweiterte UDS Fehlercode Informationen werden nur von der aktuellen Hardware-Generationen unterstützt.]
Warnleuchte EIN - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Kilometerstand: 100179 km
Datum: 2021.03.04
Zeit: 00:21:43

Motordrehzahl: 0.00 /min
Normierter Lastwert: 0.0 %
Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 0 km/h
Kühlmitteltemperatur: 54 °C
Ansauglufttemperatur: 27 °C
Umgebungsluftdruck: 980 mbar
Spannung Klemme 30: 12.062 V
Verlernzähler nach OBD: 40
Massenstrom über Drosselklappe: 0.0 kg/h
Mittlere Einspritzzeit: 0.000 ms
Betriebszustand Motor: Leerlauf
Betriebszustand Motor-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5

4714 - Steuergerät für Lenksäulenelektronik
U0212 00 [039] - keine Kommunikation
unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 6
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Kilometerstand: 100179 km
Datum: 2021.03.04
Zeit: 00:21:42

Motordrehzahl: 0.00 /min
Normierter Lastwert: 0.0 %
Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 0 km/h
Kühlmitteltemperatur: 54 °C
Ansauglufttemperatur: 27 °C
Umgebungsluftdruck: 980 mbar
Spannung Klemme 30: 12.062 V
Verlernzähler nach OBD: 40
CAN Status - Motorsteuergerät-Bits 0-7: 0
eingelegter Gang-Bits 0-7: 0


Readiness: Nicht Verfügbar

Has someone an idea, what exactly does this mean? Sorry that my VCDS is german. But I can translate it, if necessary.

I programmed the Byte 5 bit 5-6 to 20 (PR-8T2/8T6). This should be right, isn't it?

Thank you in advance.

[iichel]

Did you already use odis to activate the FEC?

[StefanH]

First of all, thank you again.
I'm still not 100% sure, whether I need a FEC or not. My dealer told me on the phone, that he doesn't think so, but everything what I read, you are probably right.

I will go tomorrow to a dealer and let him have a look.

[Matmaz]

First of all, thank you again.
I'm still not 100% sure, whether I need a FEC or not. My dealer told me on the phone, that he doesn't think so, but everything what I read, you are probably right.

I will go tomorrow to a dealer and let him have a look.

Hi, I had a similar problem and it was in the switch ON/OFF of the cruise control, check if the power is passing through this switch. I don't know if is the same problem because I don't speak german, but it can be a possible way to found a solution.

[StefanH]

Now I know, that I need a FEC, but don't want to pay hundreds of Euros, just because VW wants to sell me the cruise control

The power supply on the stalk works good. If I switch the CCS on, I see a sign in my cockpit, that says there is a problem with the CCS. So it recognizes, that I want to switch it on, but does not allow me.

Is there any other way enabling CCS without FEC? I read about workshops, which do it without, but they are all online and not really trustfull.

[Pablo f]

Hi, I'm Pablo from Argentina, sorry for my English with google translator.
I need your help, I am installing cruise control to my vw UP TSI.
I have not got a corresponding stalk, I have one from a vw vento with the same format. The circuit has 5 wires and I was able to identify some, but looking at Elsawin's diagrams I can't find the 6th wire, and I'm also not sure which wire corresponds to pin 44 and pin 46
Attached some photos, my diagram is based on the T16d connection with ECU pin T94 / 56
Greetings and thanks.
This group has been a great help to me

yellow pin 1 /+15, white pin 2/pin 45, blue pin 3/pin 47

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[Matmaz]

Hi, I'm Pablo from Argentina, sorry for my English with google translator.
I need your help, I am installing cruise control to my vw UP TSI.
I have not got a corresponding stalk, I have one from a vw vento with the same format. The circuit has 5 wires and I was able to identify some, but looking at Elsawin's diagrams I can't find the 6th wire, and I'm also not sure which wire corresponds to pin 44 and pin 46
Attached some photos, my diagram is based on the T16d connection with ECU pin T94 / 56
Greetings and thanks.
This group has been a great help to me

switch ccs.png
circuito crucero jetta 2.png

Hi Pablo. I have installed CCS in my up tsi too. I don't know if this information could be important to you, but I know that pin 44 corresponds to SET button on stalk, pin 46 corresponds to RES button and pin 47 to CANCEL. You don't have any feedback from stalk or they are showing wrong? in up the sequence is:

stalk / bcm / ecu
pin 1 / terminal 15 (when ignition is on"have used the cable blue and purple on wire of stalk, i guess it's t16/11, but i'm not sure about it")
pin 2 and pin 4 / pin 45 / pin T94-56
pin 3 / pin 47
pin 5 / pin 46
pin 6 / pin 44

[Pablo f]

Hello Matmaz. Thanks for the data.
The problem is that the set and reset signal, I have it in a cable, I measured it with the multimeter and following the diagram I don't know if it has an internal bridge between set and reset since it sends two different signals.
Could you see any bridge inside the stalk? behind the terminal.

I attach a photo of the signals that I measured, pin 4 is the only one that has a cancel signal

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I really appreciate your prompt response, your last questions helped me decide to upgrade.
Thank you

[iichel]

What is the part number of the stalk?

[Pablo f]

What is the part number of the stalk?

Hello the number is 1K0953513 F
I correct and add photo

Regards

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[Matmaz]

What is the part number of the stalk?

Hello the number is 1K0953513 F
I correct and add photo

Regards
stalk.png

This is the part number of stalk that I have used in my car: 5Z0953513H

But your car is a Up! pepper and if I'm right it must have rain sensor, and because of that you need a different stalk like this 1k5953502k or something similar but with a different connector like as the first part number.

[Pablo f]

What is the part number of the stalk?

Hello the number is 1K0953513 F
I correct and add photo

Regards
stalk.png

This is the part number of stalk that I have used in my car: 5Z0953513H

But your car is a Up! pepper and if I'm right it must have automated wipers, and because of that you need a different stalk like this 1k5953502k or something similar but with a different connector like as the first part number.

Exactly that is correct. My idea is to disassemble and change only the left stalk. Here in Argentina it has been impossible for me to get that piece.
It is also added that they stopped selling the UP from the beginning of the year.
Incredibly it is more difficult to buy from Brazil from here, than from another part of the world.
I'm also trying to get the TURY 2.18 module.

[StefanH]

Okay, maybe my last update.
After Seat officially replied on the request of my workshop:
There is no option to retrofit cruise control at a seat ibiza 6j (1.2TSI), because there is no SWAP/FEC code, because VW does not supply one.
So I have now way to activate cruise control. It is really a pity. I retrofitted all the hardware, to be not able to activate it.