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The download manager sometimes needs a good kick up the arse it has to be said. Still sticking with Firefox though - I have the T-shirt now

Anyway, an example of Microsoft's unbending attitude to their IE only coding:



And a good reason to have IE in reserve for emergency use...

I like the bit that says: "to view this video you need to download some free software: download Micrsoft Internet Explorer 6 for free, download Microsoft Media Player for free, play video".

wow, imageshack is running really slow tonight

i've got the titlebars of the windows in that pic so far

EDIT: ok that 250kb pic has finally deigned my 1mbit connection worthy of finishing. just. all i can say is, what did you expect from "MSN video" ? get on the p2pnet and download divx clips instead
that kind of nonsense is why i'm slowly sidling to the side of Quicktime, as p1ss-poor as it's player and file structure is (eg pretty much every file being encoded as 600fps just with a frameskip that varies according to the REAL framerate).

update:

Opera is luvverly

and even has a thing where you can shut the computer down, then reboot, load the browser back up, and carry on from where you left off. Marvellous.

firefox much better than IE imo, had trouble with IE crashing the internet, so asked a mate to send firefox in zip format, runs fast as i would like it, though thats probably due to the 1.67gb of ram
-Ben-

13twelve wrote:the memory issue thing is only applicable to some sites
not enough to bother me

though it is dam hard to shut firefox down once it starts to spaz up


its still the better browser

we're getting nearly 15% firefox hits on our various web trackery type things now


plus it handles css better

Yeah from my point of view where I'm havin to code in XHTML using W3 standards firefox is a much better option. It handles div tags and tables much better than IE as IE aparently has a broken box model.




Tain what's wrong with firefox? Not sluggish at all, and I've never had any problems with memory leaks. Must be all those porn sites you go on

lol broken box model

it draws margins, padding and borders differently to everything else.

you can use box model hacks though (google box model hack, i used this one: http://www.info.com.ph/~etan/w3pantheon/style/abmh.html
(there are other hacks than these, arguments as to which are more elegant a far and wide, any of them is a cludge but this seemed a simpler cludge to me - though i'mnot sure how opera supports it)

for css/div-tastic sites I've had the most success by just using margins for layout, and then putting any padding on things like p tags.

you cant just develop for firefox though mate - cos most of the world is still using IE - and if it glitches in IE it does matter.
(something for which firefox has become a pain in the arse, when IE had like 99% market share you could ignore other browsers)

on the css front, you also have to be careful of Mac IE 5.2 and Safari cos they have their own quirks too lol

13twelve wrote:lol broken box model

it draws margins, padding and borders differently to everything else.

you can use box model hacks though (google box model hack, i used this one: http://www.info.com.ph/~etan/w3pantheon/style/abmh.html
(there are other hacks than these, arguments as to which are more elegant a far and wide, any of them is a cludge but this seemed a simpler cludge to me - though i'mnot sure how opera supports it)

for css/div-tastic sites I've had the most success by just using margins for layout, and then putting any padding on things like p tags.

you cant just develop for firefox though mate - cos most of the world is still using IE - and if it glitches in IE it does matter.
(something for which firefox has become a pain in the arse, when IE had like 99% market share you could ignore other browsers)

on the css front, you also have to be careful of Mac IE 5.2 and Safari cos they have their own quirks too lol

Yeah not to worry I intend to install more browsers to test my websites on eventually.


Regarding "broken box model", I'm just going off a guy in my comp sci class.

At the end of the day all thius XHTML and W3 standardisation gubbins should eventualy see more and more sites looking better.

XHTML like all W3 standards have been implimented on varying scales since day 1 of web browsers.

They *should* mean sites display the same regardless of browser/platform.

*should*....

13twelve wrote:XHTML like all W3 standards have been implimented on varying scales since day 1 of web browsers.

They *should* mean sites display the same regardless of browser/platform.

*should*....

*should*

ah well.

Eitherway I prefer the way Firefox handles CSS sheets and generaly looks.