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I don't "do" a martial art as such, but I know, and keep in practice in a fair bit of systema. It's not a mainstream thing, and lots of "proper" martial arts people look down on it.

Basically, it is a marial art designed for use by Russian group troops, and the onus is on either taking down/incapacitating/killing your opponent very quicly, in a bare minimum of moves. It works quite like karate, (nerve and muscle groups) without the bull.

omicron wrote:I don't "do" a martial art as such, but I know, and keep in practice in a fair bit of systema. It's not a mainstream thing, and lots of "proper" martial arts people look down on it.

Basically, it is a marial art designed for use by Russian group troops, and the onus is on either taking down/incapacitating/killing your opponent very quicly, in a bare minimum of moves. It works quite like karate, (nerve and muscle groups) without the bull.

never heard of that one before Steve

is it a no fuss art, e.g litterally punches and kicks, no wierd rituals etc and no chi?

don't see why any abilties to kill someone should be looked down on by someone else, at the end of the day we're all learning an art for self defence (possibly offence), fitness and a bit of fun

Pretty much, yes. You don't tend to use a punch much in it, a chop works better, as do two fingers pressing on the right point. You have to be a little careful with it, as some of the immediate kill moves wouldn't go down well in court. It's best to reduce your opponent to a breathing, incapcitated, heap on the floor given the choice. Although grabbing a gobby chav by the windpipe can also be funny

that's what i like about jujitsu, no nonsense so you do dangerous moves in order to cause maximum damage or disable the oponent quickly.

plus i've been shown a few impressive moves from black belt level e.g pressure points where he's just held my elbow in the right place and my knees have just dropped to the ground

like in that dogdy film that was on BBC late night recently with Tommy Lee Jones as a tracker-type bloke who'd been training CIA assassins with similar skills but one went nuts?

Mk2Adam wrote:that's what i like about jujitsu, no nonsense so you do dangerous moves in order to cause maximum damage or disable the oponent quickly.

plus i've been shown a few impressive moves from black belt level e.g pressure points where he's just held my elbow in the right place and my knees have just dropped to the ground

It's all basically the same principles, just different methods. jujitsu teaches you relaible methods off arse kicking, then pressure points and the likes at a higher level, systema goes straight into it. The main reason is, if you understand pressure points, and how to react, most of that sort of thing will have absolutely zero effect if someone tries it on you.

i agree i wasnt impressed at all - i would have preferred Muay Thai

I can agree with that. I tried kickboxing and wasnt impressed, currently studying muay thai however am looking to try Jeet Kune Do. This was changed to Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. An change in translation from "Way of the Intercepting fist" to " Bruce Lee's way of the intercepting fist". Jun Fan being Bruce Lee's chinese given name.

Lots of information on it on the web.