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so you guys basicly want to know how fast the cars realy are isn't it?
by talking about it and searching the net you won't get REAL information.
i do have friends with a EP3 Type R and with a R53 Mini S JCW (a real one)
and i have driven against them while they were stock and also now since they are tuned.
this is how it is...

fastest as stock:
1) Mini Cooper S JCW (211Hp)
2) Polo GTI (150Hp)
3) Civic Type R EP3 (200Hp)
note: the Civic and the polo are not much in diffrence, i have driven about 5 of these and only lost against 1 of them while both being stock.
so that concludes the polo is the faster one (but if you do have a good R, you will probably win from a polo)

Fastest being tuned:
1) Polo GTI stage II (240Hp)
2) Civic Type R EP3 (248Hp)
3) Mini Cooper S JCW (230Hp)
note: the Type R has the lowest Torque figures, so it's verry sensitive when the weight changes (passanger or not)
if i drive with a passanger and he is alone in the R, we are 100% equally fast,
when the Type R has a passanger and i sit alone in the polo i nail him with 4 carlengths, maybe a bit more.
and my friend with the mini has it only tuned recently, i diddn't run against him yet, but he looses from the Type R.

but you have to realise, when you want to tuned one of the 3 cars, you will be better off with a polo.
it has a turbo so put exhaust, intake, and chiptune it, you will habe a totally new car that is FAST!
specially the torque down low is amazing!

as for tuning the Civic EP3 Type R, it will cost you some... it's more expensive as tuning a polo.
you need, exhaust, intake, Hondata or so to reach about 220-230Hp.
if you want more power you need cams as well and after that it gets really expensive.
a polo with only Chip and 210Hp will nail a Type R with bolt ons etc with 220Hp any day.

The mini JCW is a fun car, as said above, verry heavy, most heavy of all 3.
turns out the polo is the lightest, so that compared to having the most torque of the 3...
but it's a verry fun car, pretty fast with the stock 211Hp also.
it does have enough torgue, specially for a 1.6l engine, but it's powerband is compareable to that of the Type R.
the mini also begins pulling at his best after 4500RPM all the way to 7000-7500.
and tuning a mini R53 (supercharger model) will also cost more, maybe even more as tuning a Civic...? don't know for sure.
but you don't need an exhaust since the JCW is a verry good system.
but you realy need to upgrade the intake! there is a restriction in this, so other airfeed, airbox and filter does the mini good.
also, if you are going to chiptune it, be sure to put a bigger intake valve (is this how you name this part??)
and you also need a lighter pully, because the Charger needs this to rev faster and higher, higher revs means more power.

as for insurance, i think the polo is also the lowest in cost of the 3..
means you can spend more money on tuning... GT28RS - 350Hp/420nM

hope it helps..

as for a normal Mini S with 163Hp.
another friend has one but it's way out of the league, it's alot slower as a Polo or Type R.
it's better true corners, sure, 100% better!
but on straight line it's a bit... dissapointing
it looses from a Fiesta ST with exhaust and 160Hp (probably due to its weight)
and the mini S is even harder to tune as it has a diffrent charger type as the JCW.
if you want a mini, search for a Mini JCW, this is the one you want and this is the one that will give you enough power on the straight, and is amazing true corners!

but is still recomend a Polo GTI, this with Stage II and KW adjustable suspension is verry hard to beat on the Circuit.
i think it's become even better as the Mini

Definitely a good reply, obviously the power in the type r like said is not straight at you like the turbo purely because of the power bands and you really need to know how to drive it to get the mos out of it.

A friend of mine has the civic supercharged there's a fair bit of money to put into doing this but on a stage 2 300bhp is nice and also you don't need to worry so much about the deliverance of the power because of the charger.

Be interesting to see someone twin charge the polo? (idea?) ;D

Go with your heart man and get what you want! At the end of Tw day they're all fairly similarly powered cars and can garuntee all will be fun, you should definitely get the polo though (no bias!) :p

2nd that

only thing is, the powerband of a mini and type R is roughly about the same, giving their highest torque figures at higher RPM's.
where the polo gives it verry early and starts to fade away after 5500rpm.
when tuned it is less noticeable, but it's the character of the K03s turbo bacause it's small.

BAM engine swap

thanks for the input everyone! the gti is starting to add up i guess my cousin has a type r one thing i hate is the interior par the seats but with his hondata 9000rpm! crazy stuff!!! its going to be a tough choice for sure!

thanks again

BAM engine does not fit in a Polo, the Turbo sits on the other side of the exhaust manifold on a BAM.
this wil collide with you ABS etc.
to much work and to much costs to fix those problems.
if you more power in higher rpm and still want torque low down like a K04s wich is stock on a BAM.
you can take a hybrid Turbo K04. give you slightly more as a K04s (K04-023)

still, i sugest to stay with the K03s, if you do want more power, take a GT28RS or IHI VF34.
gives you 270-300Hp on low boost, get it at max boost and you''ll see +340Hp with ease
downside is the turbolag, it spools at about 2800-3000rpm, but you'll be able to go to 7500rpm without building down pressure.

Would not a civic compare more to a Golf Gti..?

not a massive fan of the golf gti

theoreticly, yes...
but irl, a polo GTI is AT LEAST as fast as a Golf V GTI.
My polo was even faster as a Golf, both stock.
not only from standing start but also raced against a Golf GTI from 5th gear.
(ok, than i only had milltek, but on a stock car it doesn't make much diffrence, 7Hp to be exact)
and we were going from 120Km/u in 5th gear untill 220Km/u and the polo emediantly crawld over it, taking 2-3 cars lead.

Audi S3?

Honestly, I've got a 07 Gti, Polo that is, and I would take the golf over it any day. Even though it might be slightly slower, the golf has a much more quality feel to it imo.
Just my 5 cent..

Joz wrote:Honestly, I've got a 07 Gti, Polo that is, and I would take the golf over it any day. Even though it might be slightly slower, the golf has a much more quality feel to it imo.
Just my 5 cent..

Completely agree about the quality feel, a Golf's a nicer place to sit than a Polo as a general rule. That said, Golf GTi's are far too common, and that completely ruins them for me. Now if it was an Edition 30 or a Pirelli, that might make up for it a bit...

Yeeah, seeing that I live in a different country, I don't know how common they are xD

Here I spot one, often the same one , every 3-4 weeks. So they are a bit rare here. The Polo GTi is it only 5 of in the whole country though, haha. So more rare.

I would say that if you care about speed, the little polo gti is a superb car, and I obviously like it in general. However, the Golf is more comfort and quality. So guesss we agree then

issn't that obvious a Golf is better build as a Polo...?

a Focus is also better build as a Fiesta,
a C4 is better build as a C3
it's mostly the case i guess, just not with Audi and Merc., they have quality feel over the whole range, but than again, they ar more expensive.