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Re: My Life story . . . (hah)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:54 am
by PoloGTi
CalvinGTI wrote:Recently i raced this unmarked police car around where i live, we went through red lights and everything, only to find out when we stopped it was an Unmarked police car, suffice to say the cops laughed their asses off and if it wasnt such a 'funny race' i reckon i would have got instantly banned, especially when they pointed out that they had recorded everything on the front facing camera.
That's entrapment!

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:23 am
by CalvinGTI
You know that PoloGTI, thats why i think they didnt do anything about it.

They said they were going to have a good time showing it to all there mates down the station bwaaa.

For some reason i seem to attract unmarked police cars and CID. The most recent i think was a 1.6 Merc A-Class. Whooped him through the traffic and then stopped at next lights, to which he got out of the motor and slapped his CID badge on my window

i well pooped myself !!!!! hahaha

But when i did my window down, he just said "that goes sweet dont it mate!"

top geezah !, so there i am waiting at the lights whilst these CID peeps wheel spin off through the red light haha

MADNESS !

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:07 pm
by Tahrey1043
Yeah, they can't do that sort of thing - reminds me of a story told by a mate who used to be in the army (and used to have first a mental twin-turbo Renault 21, then a tricked out Golf GTi... before the divorce) of a similar thing that happened to him.

Quite a while ago... Driving normally in the Renault, going home on leave from the army base, dark winters evening(?), not rushing at all (as he knows the car is a race and cop magnet), someone starts tailing him... he gets a bit paranoid (its around the time of the worst IRA campaigns) and progressively ups the speed to see if they're just normal folks following too close, and fall off much past the limit. Or even cops looking for someone to book - he can probably talk his way out of it if the lights come on.
When they stay with him through some several random turns, up to 90 on the straights, and through a red, he floors it, bricking it. Then about 2 miles later, after they've been well over the ton on single carriageway roads and through a couple more lights.. the blues come on.
He's relieved by this, but also very pissed off at their behaviour and knows his rights. Belt off, and brakes hard into the next layby, quick handbrake turn to point the car back at them (shining headlights on the cars occupants, and cover if needed behind door), jumps out while engine still running and smoke rising and waits for them to stop, oldskool car-phone in hand, dialling the non 999 number for the local station.
You two! I want your names, badge numbers, and the name of your supervising DC. NOW.

Turned out they saw what they knew to be a powerful car, and were expecting it to be driven hard - easy money. He didn't immediately oblige but for some reason they stayed with him, not counting on the somewhat obvious point of anyone coming off a military premises being understandably nervous of anyone popping up from nowhere and following them close. His nervousness carried through into an adrenaline trip of getting someone high-up on the phone, himself later absolved of any charge, and the two officers in some sticky schtuck.

Just too bad there weren't any GATSOs or many red light cams about back then. Getting proof of that chase on camera would have been sweet.

Why have they done wrong (in both cases)??
1. Yep, entrapment. If they weren't racing you and goading you on, chances are you might have driven perfectly legally. The officers have pushed you into a crime.
2. Wilful dangerous driving and unneccessary pursuit... its just lucky it was a quiet road, and quiet junctions.
3. They too were committing an offence. Anything a police traffic officer does in their car without the lights and/or siren on counts as civilian action. They're not allowed to speed, run reds, etc, unless those beacons warning other road-users and marking it as an emergency vehicle are switched on. Even more so for an unmarked car. So if they have that video, and it doesnt have that little icon in the corner showing that the blue lights are on.... but it does show the speeding and the light-running aspects of the race... ask em for a copy of it, their numbers and what OCU they're based at. (you might not get any of that, but possibly some ashen faces if they realise why :lol:)

In both your case and that of me mate they should have turned the blues on as soon as it was clear an offense was being committed, i.e. when he passed 75 (enough for points on a 60-road), or at least after the first red light was run - but they kept going to higher speeds through more potential certain-death intersections. Dereliction of duty and all that. Even if you didn't stop (which i'm sure both would have) it would have warned others that something's afoot, lowered the risk of an accident, and covered their own asses legally.

At least your lot were pretty cool about it - just some bored guys out for a blast and something amusing to take home!
(you dont work at a night club do ya? :D)

Calvin, man...... you're a nutter. :roll:
Keep out of brum unless you're in a 1.0 now, yhear? :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:11 pm
by CalvinGTI
NEVER Tahrey1043 !!!

haha

Anyone ever play the roundabout game with their mates?

:)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:13 pm
by 4paws
roundabout game?

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:15 pm
by carmadaaron
:? round and round till u crash maybe? :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:16 pm
by 4paws
sounds fun :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:20 pm
by carmadaaron
im just guessing! :roll: :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:35 pm
by CalvinGTI
nah you both start at opposite sides of the roundabout, and go as quick as possible, the winner is the one that catches up with the other person.

can get pretty sick though ! doing a steady 50mph-70mph round some roundabouts can get you sideways !

haha brings back bare memories i tell ya, sitting here writing this

:)

Long live Southend Cruise !!!

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:42 pm
by carmadaaron
o right i c. might give that a shot!
my mates got a new mini tho, so hes got NO bodyroll at all! (well very little anyway!)

sounds like it wil take a fari bit of time as well! :roll:

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:47 pm
by StevePolo
3. They too were committing an offence. Anything a police traffic officer does in their car without the lights and/or siren on counts as civilian action. They're not allowed to speed, run reds, etc, unless those beacons warning other road-users and marking it as an emergency vehicle are switched on. Even more so for an unmarked car. So if they have that video, and it doesnt have that little icon in the corner showing that the blue lights are on.... but it does show the speeding and the light-running aspects of the race... ask em for a copy of it, their numbers and what OCU they're based at. (you might not get any of that, but possibly some ashen faces if they realise why :lol:)

In both your case and that of me mate they should have turned the blues on as soon as it was clear an offense was being committed, i.e. when he passed 75 (enough for points on a 60-road), or at least after the first red light was run - but they kept going to higher speeds through more potential certain-death intersections. Dereliction of duty and all that. Even if you didn't stop (which i'm sure both would have) it would have warned others that something's afoot, lowered the risk of an accident, and covered their own asses legally.


Ok so the other week, I was coming up the M1 at about 10 P.M doing 90ish, a car was following me at a safe distance doing the same speed, after about 3 miles he stuck the blues on and pulled me over for speeding. Obviously this was the first point I realised it was a copper as it was dark. Are you saying this was wrong?

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:04 pm
by CalvinGTI
in that sense, the police were probably correct, as there was no-one on the road, they were obviously seeing if you were gonna push it past 100, as these days thats an automatic ban, wotever the reason.

You were unlucky mate !

Calâ„¢

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:08 pm
by StevePolo
I did get up to the ton at one point though beause when he pulled me he said I did an average of 95.4 over 1.3 miles but at some pints i was going a lot quicker than that!

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:11 pm
by Tahrey1043
Which means he must have been as well, without the blue lights. Was it an unmarked car?
'cause, like, any danger you may have been causing, they made double.
How long were they following you before the blue flashes started? Just a mile and a bit, or considerably further?
It'd be fair play if you'd moved back to the inside lane after overtaking them (they doing 69.5..) and they put the lights on as soon as they noticed you. But, say, you're in the outside lane, overtaking various other cars doing 80-odd, and you see someone in an obviously powerful vehicle (e.g. traffic patrol Volvo T5) start following.. you may accelerate a little and look for a gap in that middle lane to let them by. Were they not tailing you and making as if you weren't going fast enough.... etc etc. The laws laid down in the early 60s still stand and don't make much allowance for how the unwritten rules of the m'way work :(
(yay for that "temporary" 70mph limit imposed until such time as people adjusted to the new road system and their machinery and rubberwork improved to the point where it could safely sustain 75 or more for at least an hour, by the way...)

Think i might see how much it is to get a couple small cameras fitted (one rear, one front) in discreet places, connected to a constantly rolling 5-hour VHS tape (in a long play recorder, too). Because what evidence does the defendant have in their favour in cases like this? Bugger all.

(I sure hope i'm right on this one :D i can only go on what i've been told - don't have a book of Moriartys Police Law handy like me dad)

Sure i've even seen news stories on these issues - officers heading off to crime scenes speeding and running lights without their sirens on etc, being booked.

It's besides the point anyway. Booking you for 90-odd in the late evening on the M1? I'd have half a mind to kick him in the shins (or at least do the rectum stretcher routine*), the mother is soo working to a quota (or joined the police because of a desire to do evil things under the guise of public protection). I've been down there at a similar pace at moderately busy times in the middle of the day and still been tailgated! (was bricking it though!) What's that tell you about the road's capacity to safely handle high speed traffic....? 10pm in summer you'd probably be alright at 110.. Bugger all traffic, still some light left, etc.

Automatic ban at 100 now? Jeez...

* yeah, he'll have heard it a million times, so what.

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:18 am
by StevePolo
The thing that pissed me off was that the motorway was completely dead there was no-one around, he must of followed me for about 3 or 4 miles at a distance then just pulled right up behind me and put the blues on. So yeah he was obviously doin more than 70 without the lights flashing.