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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:41 am
by iichel
Yes, but who is expecting kessy on a Polo?
Probably not a lot of people.
No I understand your concern, it' a good point. But, you can even open a car with a screwdriver and some strength. Just brute force the lock...
If they want the car, they'll get it. A window can be smashed, an immobiliser can be hacked, an engine can be started.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:21 pm
by diskoboy
Any updates?
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:43 am
by iichel
Nothing to report so far. Busy, but on other things
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:58 am
by iichel
update for having nothing to update.
the immobilser part is not really working with me so far.
Normal Polo 6R:
Immobiliser is located in Instrument Cluster, the immobiliser chip reader and steering column lock are in the ignition lock. The immobilser works together with the Engine ECU to authorize start.
Modified Polo 6R with Kessy:
Immobiliser is located in Instrument Cluster
Immobiliser chip reader is distributed between start button and by proxy (kessy aerials)
Kessy aerials connect to kessy module
Electronic steering column lock is now part of the immobiliser too
The start button is connected to the steering column lock
Keys are completely new
So... what to do:
Programm IC to new keys
Match keys with steering column lock
Match keys with kessy module
Match steering column lock with IC
This process is done by a person I'd call a friend now. He's very busy making it all work, and with some small successes too. The new kessy keys can now start the engine... But not yet with the start button.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:32 pm
by ciclo
Thank you very much for the information. You two are doing a great job.
I hope you both have success with the start button soon.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:57 pm
by iichel
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:52 pm
by ciclo
Looks good.
Please can you explain it? Thanks.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:49 pm
by iichel
Yes master
It's the emergency start procedure. Here you hold the key against the reader coil and press the start button. This involves the electronic steering column lock, tacho, key and engine ECU. This works together now.
The next and final step is start by proxy, to detect the key by proxy through the kessy antennas. This will enable true keyless start and keyless entry and exit.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:38 am
by ciclo
Ok thanks. Awesome, good luck with that final step.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:32 pm
by iichel
quick autoscan, just need to adapt the keys to the kessy module to make keyless entry and keyless start possible..
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Thursday,15,June,2017,14:43:53:62066
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYiichel License Plate:
Mileage: 10km-6mi Repair Order:
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Chassis Type: 6R (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 10 15 17 19 20 25 2B 2E 37 3C 44 47 55 56 61 69 6C 77
VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYiichel Mileage: 10km-6miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
20-High Beam Assist. -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J000-CFWA) Labels: 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
Part No SW: 03P 906 021 B HW: 03P 907 425
Component: R3 1.2l TDI H06 9978
Revision: 12005001 Serial number:
Coding: 00114036033401080000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021B 001041
ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA.rod
VCID: 2757FDE35E1F667988-8072
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
Revision: --------
Coding: 210248E3416F00B7842B12E782D500521700
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 07179D63B2DF4679A8-8052
No fault code found.
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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518) Labels: 5K0-959-434.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E HW: 5K0 959 434
Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202
Revision: 00092000 Serial number: 0346244897
Coding: 000F0F
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_VW01.rod
VCID: 37772DA38EBFF6F918-8062
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 H HW: 6R0 907 044 H
Component: Climatronic H12 0812
Revision: V0000000
VCID: 38752E9F8BA1F98111-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0733
Revision: B9080001 Serial number: 0771 092150183
Coding: 3CB02FF828CB2400933806E2FFEB9FD080A273EFE08D78D0228400030800
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 B Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
Component: RLS 140415 03 37 0059
Coding: 0714DD
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 BD HW: 6R0 959 801 BD Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 003 8611
Serial number: KU0KU011111300010103
Coding: 0200A3
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BF HW: 6R0 959 802 BF Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 003 8611
Serial number: KU0KU007111300016463
Coding: 1000AB
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442 HW: 1K8 959 442
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H03 0103
Serial number: 27140002547420014516
Coding: A4FFFF
Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 B HW: 6R0 959 811 B
Component: J388__TSG_HL 002 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU008.06.0910897
Coding: 08BC32
Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 B HW: 6R0 959 812 B
Component: J389__TSG_HR 002 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU004.06.0913330
Coding: 08BC32
No fault code found.
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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels: 7E0-919-475.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 L HW: 7N0 919 475
Component: PARKHILFE 8K H06 0106
Revision: -------- Serial number: 28231422402620
Coding: 318001
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS.rod
VCID: 3B7F3193B297D299FC-806E
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K HW: 6R0 959 655 K
Component: VW10Airbag01M H10 0020
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003GX0142TCE
Coding: 00314D
Shop #: WSC 01383 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_VW25.rod
VCID: 4A916457ED4D7B1177-801E
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3575HRB40650BI7U48C8
Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 3585HRB405J09RECEOUJ
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
Serial number: 3515RRB405T0BTBEF9G7
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
Serial number: 3525RRB405R0BTBEKPFQ
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 920 870 A HW: 6R0 920 870 A
Component: KOMBI H04 0709
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 140E01
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_A04_VW25.rod
VCID: 336F19B39AC71AD924-8066
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: None
Part No SW: 7E0 909 901 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733
Revision: B9080001
Coding: 042201
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C
No fault code found.
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Address 20: High Beam Assist. (J844) Labels: 8S0-857-511.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 857 511 G HW: 7E0 857 511 E
Component: FLA H10 0003
Revision: AA001001
Coding: 040C00E200000000000000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316 001004
ROD: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316.rod
VCID: 2E5908C771E537314B-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Component: IMMO H04 0709
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 000007
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
VCID: 6AD1C4D78D8D9B1157-803E
No fault code found.
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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764) Labels: 5K0-905-861.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 B HW: 5K0 905 861 B
Component: ELV-PQ35 H20 0240
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 11000256123005
Coding: 4100000000000000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
VCID: 2F6715C376EF3E3940-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650) Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 G HW: 5N0 035 342 G
Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H19 0770
Revision: A1001003 Serial number: 7666620365
Coding: 010100
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 2B5F01D34AF742196C-807E
No fault code found.
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Address 37: Navigation (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E HW: 1T0 035 686 H
Component: RNS-MID H26 6276
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
Coding: 00070002010000A10001
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 366920A781B50FF103-8062
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
Component: EU West V14 8477
No fault code found.
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Address 3C: Lane Change Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 7E0 907 566 B HW: 4L0 907 566 A
Component: J0769 SWA MasterH14 0120
Revision: 00H14000 Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-07
Coding: 0010161
Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
VCID: 2F6715C3BEEF3E3940-807A
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7E0 907 568 B
Component: J0770 SWA Slave H09 0110
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-27
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 5F31.03.1100H090003CH21982ˇ
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: H21982ˇ
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V277
Coding: 11220
Shop #: WSC 00788
VCID: 2F6715C3EAEF3E3940-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 47: Sound System (R12) Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 C HW: 5C6 035 456 C
Component: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831
Revision: -------- Serial number: EAA098C0000052
ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4 001001
ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4.rod
VCID: 2855FEDF5301690181-807C
No fault code found.
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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431) Labels: 6R0-907-357.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 357 HW: 6R0 907 357
Component: LWR-ECU H02 0070
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 0192000001000000
Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
VCID: 77F7EDA3CE3F36F9D8-8022
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E HW: 1T0 035 686 H
Component: RNS-MID H26 6276
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
Coding: 00070002010000A10001
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 366920A781B50FF103-8062
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
Component: EU West V14 8477
No fault code found.
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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840) Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 907 534 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: Batt.regelung H80 0733
Serial number: 0771 092150183
Coding: 03071A5A
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 HW: 6C0 915 181
Component: J367-BDM H08 0223
Serial number: 61083A44504351928092
No fault code found.
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Address 69: Trailer (J345) Labels: 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 E HW: 1K0 907 383 E
Component: Anhaenger H07 0080
Revision: 3A002002 Serial number: 00000116932377
Coding: 0100000100000000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 2F6715C37EEF3E3940-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 907 441 HW: 7E0 907 441
Component: J772__Rearview 0040
Revision: 00H08000 Serial number: 525PA8-J060533
Coding: 0030115
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 65CBB7EBAC93B4697A-8030
1 Fault Found:
03006 - Back-up Camera System not calibrated
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 17
Time Indication: 0
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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels: 3C8-035-730-A.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 E HW: 3C8 035 730 E
Component: Telefon 025 0983
Revision: -------- Serial number: 35502105254406
Coding: 020100000100010000000101
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002709
ROD: EV_UHVPremi_002.rod
VCID: 254BF7EB24137469BA-8070
No fault code found.
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:32 am
by ciclo
You are close to getting it.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:17 pm
by iichel
So, some kessy update..
Kessy is in it, car can be started by push button
For push button, it needs new steering column trim
For kessy, it also needs electronic steering column lock, does not fit in the current Polo OEM trim
So I bought a Scirocco trim: 1K8 858 599 A
For that it needs the steering column switch to fit, i.e. for VW Up (with rear window washer/wiper): 1S0 959 503 x
For that you need a new steering angle sensor.
I first had one from the Beetle 5C: 5C0 959 653. But this one only works on CAN powertrain protocol 2.0
Our polos still have the protocol 1.6 for the ABS. Probably it will work with the 6RA 959 654.
So, that's the plan now.
I also plan to transform the stalks to those of the Golf 7. Simply because they looks better. Will be a job, to transform CC etc inside the stalk..
Work in progress...
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:52 am
by diskoboy
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:16 am
by ag69
iichel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:17 pm
So, some kessy update..
Kessy is in it, car can be started by push button
For push button, it needs new steering column trim
For kessy, it also needs electronic steering column lock, does not fit in the current Polo OEM trim
So I bought a Scirocco trim: 1K8 858 599 A
For that it needs the steering column switch to fit, i.e. for VW Up (with rear window washer/wiper): 1S0 959 503 x
For that you need a new steering angle sensor.
I first had one from the Beetle 5C: 5C0 959 653. But this one only works on CAN powertrain protocol 2.0
Our polos still have the protocol 1.6 for the ABS. Probably it will work with the 6RA 959 654.
So, that's the plan now.
I also plan to transform the stalks to those of the Golf 7. Simply because they looks better. Will be a job, to transform CC etc inside the stalk..
Work in progress...
sir,
you are amazing.
bow down to your dedication and finding way to achieve this.
Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:41 am
by spacewalker
I have solution for you
In weekend will add keys again to my car , because device have wrong desctription
seems to be wrong because not working like that , but working in a different way , so need to re-learn all keys again to be sure procedure is good
screw VAS