Re: This'll make Andy's jaw drop...
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:09 am
Someone did a rendition of the Hyundai i5 with white OZ alloys and a martini stripe on twitter last night.
My god it looked lovely.
My god it looked lovely.
Probably the Worlds greatest Polo resource
https://www.uk-polos.net/
And all paint on Seats are 'free' in the UK. But not on Cupras. Even though a Cupra Leon is a Seat Leon with a more powerful engine and different badges.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:56 pm Paint costs are a racket that I'm amazed the EU hasn't stamped out. Metallic paint is a no cost option on VWs in Spain and the US.
As far as I’m aware, both flat and metallic paints have a clear coat and have done for many years. I’m assuming the only difference is that metallic paint has a few grams of metal particles added. £600 is a lot for a small quantity of metal flakes.vc-10 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:20 pmAnd all paint on Seats are 'free' in the UK. But not on Cupras. Even though a Cupra Leon is a Seat Leon with a more powerful engine and different badges.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:56 pm Paint costs are a racket that I'm amazed the EU hasn't stamped out. Metallic paint is a no cost option on VWs in Spain and the US.
Certain paints do cost more- metallics more than flat paints, and the clear coat over the top is an extra pass through the paintshop. But I'm not convinced that it's a £600 price difference...
Yes, non metallics have a clear coat. If you buy a touch up kit for your white or red GTI, it'll have a colour bottle and a clear bottle.SRGTD wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:33 pmAs far as I’m aware, both flat and metallic paints have a clear coat and have done for many years. I’m assuming the only difference is that metallic paint has a few grams of metal particles added. £600 is a lot for a small quantity of metal flakes.vc-10 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:20 pmAnd all paint on Seats are 'free' in the UK. But not on Cupras. Even though a Cupra Leon is a Seat Leon with a more powerful engine and different badges.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:56 pm Paint costs are a racket that I'm amazed the EU hasn't stamped out. Metallic paint is a no cost option on VWs in Spain and the US.
Certain paints do cost more- metallics more than flat paints, and the clear coat over the top is an extra pass through the paintshop. But I'm not convinced that it's a £600 price difference...
But many of us (myself included) have paid (myself included!) extra for metallic paint at some point, usually because of a dislike of the ‘free’ colour.
Pah, s'nothing.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 6:36 am All sorted, picking up the ID3 tomorrow. It'll be a long day - 5 hour train journey to Evesham, maybe an hour pickup and 4 hour drive back plus a 20 min stop for charge top up likely.
It's already happening, given that a 62KWH pack now takes up the same room as a 30KHW pack from years ago.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:55 am
Until batteries get cheaper and smaller,going any bigger than 204ps/62kWh is going to get expensive and the extra weight of the extra batteries is not going to have half the performance impact of a higher output ICE engine - remaps don't come with a 200kg penalty.
Hopefully the tech advancements continue at the same pace - making them lighter is half the battle. The ID3 weighs in at about 1850kg with the 62kWh pack, if they can shave 300kg off that then without even increasing the capacity they'll probably add 60-80 miles to the range.Andy Beats wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:11 pmIt's already happening, given that a 62KWH pack now takes up the same room as a 30KHW pack from years ago.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:55 am
Until batteries get cheaper and smaller,going any bigger than 204ps/62kWh is going to get expensive and the extra weight of the extra batteries is not going to have half the performance impact of a higher output ICE engine - remaps don't come with a 200kg penalty.
And Renault did a graphic for the Zoe, showing the original pack took up the whole floorpan for 90 miles.
The same range now only needs batteries the size of a large suitcase.
That's in the past 6 years or so, things are advancing at a much faster pace now
The above, while interesting, really won't be of much relevance to the average owner.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:34 pm I just priced up a Cupra Born on the German website, and to spec it up to the well equipped low (but not bottom) ID3 Life trim, with 18" alloys the same 204ps output/62kWh battery and those bucket seats is coming in at €40490, so that's going to be a £38k car in the UK, with no grant, unless they are very creative with basic spec plus packs that don't count towards the grant threshold. They're seemingly putting the Cupra brand right up at Audi levels. Will be interesting to see how it does, especially as my previous experience with Seat dealers is that they offer nowt in discount off their margin.
Can't see it being any sharper handling than the ID3 with the same performance,.
So bucket seats, slightly nicer door cards and a body kit is going to cost a realistic £9k more (maybe £6500 more if it can creatively remain grant eligible).than a dscounted Life not taking into account a deposit contribution from VWFS. It'll need to be whopper to redress that financial disparity - I doubt even the Audi badge could justify that price discrepancy.
I'd be hard pushed to justify paying an extra £2k for the sporty styling. At the same price I'd be all over it.
It's all related - if you've got something with a high initial price and low 2 or 3 year value, its not going to be cheap to lease or PCP. If those prices come to fruition, it'll be interesting to see what the PCP GFVs are to get a gauge on whether VAG are confident that the Cupra brand will be accepted as a premium brand and have good residuals as a result to make the cost of depreciation reasonable despite the high RRP.Andy Beats wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:19 amThe above, while interesting, really won't be of much relevance to the average owner.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:34 pm I just priced up a Cupra Born on the German website, and to spec it up to the well equipped low (but not bottom) ID3 Life trim, with 18" alloys the same 204ps output/62kWh battery and those bucket seats is coming in at €40490, so that's going to be a £38k car in the UK, with no grant, unless they are very creative with basic spec plus packs that don't count towards the grant threshold. They're seemingly putting the Cupra brand right up at Audi levels. Will be interesting to see how it does, especially as my previous experience with Seat dealers is that they offer nowt in discount off their margin.
Can't see it being any sharper handling than the ID3 with the same performance,.
So bucket seats, slightly nicer door cards and a body kit is going to cost a realistic £9k more (maybe £6500 more if it can creatively remain grant eligible).than a dscounted Life not taking into account a deposit contribution from VWFS. It'll need to be whopper to redress that financial disparity - I doubt even the Audi badge could justify that price discrepancy.
I'd be hard pushed to justify paying an extra £2k for the sporty styling. At the same price I'd be all over it.
Like me, they'll just look at the lease/PCP figure.
And if it's the same, or even a wee bit more, than the ID3 I'd be very interested*
*assuming nothing else comes out that catches my eye in the meantime