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help on buying my 1st polo

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:18 pm
by tania
hi im new to this site.. but i also need help... im just takin my driving lessons at the moment...and thinking of buying a vw polo mk3...but i need advise on the cost and what to look for..as i admit im no car expert at the moment :(

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:17 pm
by pettsy
im not too sure about prices, but i've put together a guide at the top of this section on what to look for when buying a mk3...hope it helps 8)

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:38 pm
by Tahrey1043
A tip? Buy mine!

*dodges bullets*


oh you meant a tip as in informed knowledge, not a dumping ground for household waste

ballpark cost? £200 to £800 depending on condition, miles, spec, etc. just my opinion/rough estimate though ;) try to haggle 'em down!

£200 or less would be a Fox or CL 1-litre, 4 speed, early 90s, with well over 100,000 on the clock and maybe scruffy bodywork/faded paint, one or two minor things needing to be done... but i'd still look for 6 months MOT/Tax with that (he said, talking his own sale into a corner)

£800 would be for a nice, mid-90s GT (1.3 high output, 5 speed), say about 50,000 miles, and good (though of course not perfect) bodywork and good mechanicals, 12 months tax/MOT ... (CL + GT sellers feel free to argue with me on that!)

If you want to get really sporty, you could go for a G40 or engine converted car, but it'd be highly inappropriate to your experience, you'd be completely helpless to find an insurer to cover you, and the board would probably be in uproar :D
(though, granted, i'm testosterone fuelled, i'm still going to give the example of damn near killing myself several times first in mums Punto 75 (basically more-or-less GT spec) and then in my own polo 1 litre.... the lower speeds offered by these cars being the main thing that saved my neck in most cases)

ebay is a good place to find bargain mk3s, if you find one in your area you can go give a damn good inspecting before bidding. other than that, autotrader, local classifieds, or keep a lookout in case a (trustworthy and established) UK Polos / Porka / oldskooldubs / etc member is selling off a well-loved example.
or just go cruise the streets - i actually spotted mine when out for a bike ride, just parked up with a sign in the window.


"quick" checklist:

no soot coming out of exhaust :D

no rust on petrol tank or (importantly) the filler neck leading into it. this will involve lying on the ground, i'm afraid.

no large patches of rust anywhere, particularly outside of the replacable panels (remember to check inside - eg around spare tyre - as well as out). Some around the wheelarches is ok. also, cant speak for anyone else, but the metal separator for the quarterlight windows may be pure rust... doesn't seem to affect it adversely :)

no big oil leaks or soaking (or, a "suspiciously" clean engine)

not too low to the ground particularly at the back, unless it's been dropped. acceptable on a squareback hatch for the very top of the tyre to be obscured inside the arch, but no further. as the boot is so big, it is possible to overload them and damage it.

starts very easily even from cold! (if its warm when you arrive --- alarm bells)... polo is the original "starts first time every time" car, when it's well.
idles calmly/smoothly after no more than the first minute.
steady temperature once warm of around 80-90 celcius. should take quite a while for the fan to come on.

if you check the heating system, dont expect hot air to come out of the face vents :) as its designed to only blow warm from the screen/feet/side.

check door/boot seals for major leaks, and particularly the sunroof if it has one. not to mention the aerial if it's been relocated from the wing to the roof.

take a peek and listen to the exhaust to make sure it's not going to hit the ground and hasnt got a hole... including at the engine end as the seal can break down (rev it and listen for clacking noises)

and all the other usual car gubbins - goes into all gears easily (discounting a little bit of reverse crunch) and pulls along acceptibly in each, steers and brakes well, suspension isn't shot (bounce bodily up and down on each corner and see that it 'rebounds' once - no more no less), be wary of any odd engine or gearbox sounds and so on. look over interior (inc wheel, gearlever, pedals) and see if it matches your expectation of how worn it should be for the miles and age. should look fairly good if you find a 30,000 mile example...... though it'll be kind of lacking by 80,000! if it looks better than it should, that's no worry - but worse, that can be!
check the tyres are well inflated and have decent tread. do an emergency brake test and check the handbrake on a hill if you can (and... look at the lines in case they're rusted!). find a car park to do some full-lock turns in to listen for worn-out CV joints.

all that kind of stuff :D best really to find a mate / relative / family friend who knows their onions to go along, but make sure you get versed in the relevant stuff yourself for anything they might miss. for example, when I bought mine, most things we ok --- but both me and three other people looking over it with me missed that the entire rear brake system was shredded, though all the signs were there if we'd looked just a little more slowly and carefully --- don't let the seller bully or rush you! (if i wasnt desperate for a car, i might have paid more attention to the handbrake handle being completely floppy)

Some things that are, however, polo typical: Stodgy and stiff controls, compared to modern cars. You might find the accelerator a bit resistant, the clutch heavy, the steering needs some work and the brakes a little firm (though, they're not actually as bad as you first imagine). Plus you will feel VERY low to the ground. Don't fret it. After about 10 miles of driving you settle right in and may come to appreciate the extra feedback and fine control that they afford.

PS if you are actually the back seat passenger on the test drives, don't be deceived by the squashy comfort of the rear bench - the front seats are a "little" harder than that, but, more supportive on corners (well.. unless it's a fox). Don't get trapped in it - remember that the door handle is in the "wrong" place (centre of the door car, not up closer to the front/top).

Oh, and if it's a 1-litre - the low revs are fine for trucking about town in, and it will feel, if not swift, then at least reasonably responsive (as unlike some small cars, it's got decent low-end torque). Just remember that to get any actual performance from that engine needs a lot of RPMs, so if it feels sluggish when you put your foot down... drop a gear and try to ignore the (eventual) howling noise!

Finally --- if you buy it --- be wary of the petrol guage. There's no warning light, and the accuracy can be variable to say the least. Fill it up and see how close to the "full" line the needle is, and try to keep at least that amount of distance from the "empty" red zone. I've run it dry with supposedly a gallon of reserve displayed before.

They're very nice cars, but, along the lines of the Beetle.... very basic. Don't expect much luxury/advanced comfort from it unless you do it up - but do expect a reliable, efficient and pleasurable drive!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:50 pm
by hardhitter
It might be a good idea to look in classifieds and get a rough idea of how much they go for and look at what you wan't. Then you will have and idea when you are ready to buy.

Stoke is pretty close to me, so if you need anyone to look at a car I may be able to help.

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:47 pm
by tania
thanks for the help guys :D...it means alot :D should be getting a polo soon within 2 weeks :D as i was advised that a polo would be a great 1st car as there more trust worthy and reliable then a metro or other lowgraded cars. but anyway guy's cheers for the help and advise :)

hardhitter- it would be greatful if you could help me out.. as i tend to be a bit thick with the technical terms and plus i don't want to be ripped off.

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:53 am
by GroovyCarrot
Aye, the polo's a pretty good choice for a first car - bought mine for £295 as my first car, the only problems it's ever had have been my fault, I've covered about 15,000 miles in it over the last year and I've never had to think twice before taking it on a long run. Good luck with it, I hope you find a good one ;)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:10 pm
by hardhitter
No problem, if you see something you wan't to look at give me a shout providing its not too far.

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:21 pm
by minis84
hello!

Tahrey1043's advice there is great, I was a first time Polo buyer last october, and people helped me a lot on here.

I have a mk3 1043 CL squareback for sale, in blue, with 92k miles on the clock. Its had a new water pump and timing belt 1000 miles ago, and i've just replaced the rear brake hoses (only thing it failed its MOT on).

Its a cracking little car, and as much as I despised it after having a Mini, I've grown to like it, its so willing, started first time every time all winter, hasn't burned or used a drop of oil since october (and believe me, i've checked, running Mini's means you check every day!), and is in good condition underneath and inside too (everything works, its cool!).

I don't know if you're interested or not, but I'm only in derby, so about 40mins down the A50, so if you are then give me a shout!

Tomv :D

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:53 am
by beeblebrox5000
Hi, just thought I'd add that I bought my little Polo on eBay back in December, had to drive it back to Cumbria all the way from Aberdeen (well, my dad did anyway!).

It went for £510 in the end, and I think it was a reasonable price, but you guys'll know better than me!

1994 1.3 CL hatchback
102,000 miles :?
Red
Nice shiny paint
Not much needed fixing when I bought it

However, since then I've reversed it into a grass bank at about 25mph (don't ask) and I appear to have driven over something pointy and knackered the petrol tank, £150 for a fitted new one!!

I love it though. Other little fixes have included 'bending' the driver's door to lessen the wind noise through it (gap between door and body I think, because the door seal seems fine), re-seating the instrument panel light (it wasn't broken, we just wiggled it and it worked again!) and getting a new exhaust put on because the old one fell off in the reversing 'incident'.

I'd definately recommend buying one though, as they are very easy to drive for new drivers like me. When driving my dad's '97 Renault Clio I find the visibility to be very poor, but in the Polo you can always see exactly where the car is going, which makes maneuvering nice and easy.

Definately be careful of the fuel gauge though, I too ran out with supposedly all of the reserve amount left!! At least I missed the first lesson of the day at school... :wink:

Well, that was quite a long post! Not sure if it's that helpful to you, just a little story from a happy Polo owner :D

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:08 am
by metz
hardhitter wrote: Stoke is pretty close to me, so if you need anyone to look at a car I may be able to help.
Predator alert predator alert !!
lol

For a first car at a young age i think i would look towards a 5sp 1ltr as its only group 3 insurance (is it 3 or 2 forgot now) and still a more than capable little engine to get you along swiftly.

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:44 am
by Tahrey1043
Must say I can't fault the "reliability" :D ..... though daresay the reliability was a lot more faultless maybe 10 years ago.

Given the age, parts did start to fray and fail and rust with swiss-watch regularity (usually requiring a trip to the garage and a three figure payment), but once they were fixed, they stayed fixed. Look for one that seems to have had a lot of the problem points fettled and you could be on for a winner.
EG the tank, clutch, exhaust manifold, pedal box / seat mounts, odd bits and pieces of suspension and braking systems (mainly third-party parts!), thermostat, so on and so forth. The cars are tough, no doubt, but they do unavoidably have a number of perishable pieces.

(think mine only ever had the basics sorted - down the local rip-off joint for a so-called "50 point service" alongside the MOT every 12 months, and the occasional set of new tyres, brake pads or fresh exhaust backbox is as much as I got receipt evidence for... it looked like a service history to my naive eyes!)

But other than those somewhat essential-maintenance costs (tip!! SET MONEY ASIDE FOR THIS STUFF... if you dont spend it, then you at least build up a nice savings buffer!) it never let me down.

Always started, always went. Always idled nicely even after a merciless thrash!

OK, OK, if you discount....
* whenever i let the battery run flat (dolt!)
* whenever the fuel ran out (see above - got used to it in the end - carry a 5L spare can AND suitable funnel / filler hose at all times!)
* the one time it took 10 minutes to catch and run, in an awesome frost
* er......... :)

and, the times when it started & went, but not so well (but, gets you there)
* exhaust disintegrating on a welsh country backroad
* pedal box self-destructing (luckily in a car-park)
* any time it had trouble with the ruddy ignition (leads, dizzy cap etc)
* cacked out temp sensor
* "now"

what more can be said? mere foibles.... occasionally costly ones, but seeing how some friends cars have gone out it was..... probably? worth it. And the ribbing from mates / family.

Of course, the top bit is.... in the right light and freshly washed... it still looks proper and sorted, even slightly dinged. All the bits are still there and there's no holes.



Elaborate Postscript:

Metz..... what about a 1 litre 4 speed? Seeing as the weather's picking up, both my mum and brother are away for a couple weeks, and my adverts round 'n' about haven't gathered much interest -- plus, i'm bored -- i might have another shot at sorting the engine out. (figure out which of engine swap / rings is easier.. might come down on the side of the rings ;))
Might even make a present of it.... no.... maybe not.... but sell it at a discount for a board first-timer. ;)