which is quickest overall. i know the golf is the most powerful and the g40the least but the golf is the heaviest and the g40 the lightest.
not after a vs thread, its just im after one of the above as my next car.
saxovts/g40/golf gti mark 2 16v
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GroovyCarrot
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Been a lot of speculation going on in this thread.. I've got some figures to clear things up a bit:
G40:
Power: 116.0 bhp @ 6,000rpm
Torque: 150 Nm @ 3800rpm
Power/weight ratio: 139.8 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.6 seconds
Top speed: 123.1 mph
Golf mk2 16v:
Power: 137.0 bhp @ 6,100rpm
Torque: 168 Nm @ 4600rpm
Power/weight ratio: 151.1 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.1 seconds
Top speed: 127.5 mph
Saxo VTS:
Power: 117.0 bhp @ 6,600rpm
Torque: 145.0 Nm @ 5,200rpm
Power/weight ratio: 125.1 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.7 seconds
Top speed: 128.1 mph
So, in summary, the golf accellerates hardest, the saxo goes fastest, the polo has the most accessible peak torque and power, ie doesn't need silly revs to get you where you're going. They all seem pretty similar though really, certainly tuned up as they almost all area I imagine the differences would be negligable. Just a case of personal preference between the cars I suppose.
G40:
Power: 116.0 bhp @ 6,000rpm
Torque: 150 Nm @ 3800rpm
Power/weight ratio: 139.8 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.6 seconds
Top speed: 123.1 mph
Golf mk2 16v:
Power: 137.0 bhp @ 6,100rpm
Torque: 168 Nm @ 4600rpm
Power/weight ratio: 151.1 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.1 seconds
Top speed: 127.5 mph
Saxo VTS:
Power: 117.0 bhp @ 6,600rpm
Torque: 145.0 Nm @ 5,200rpm
Power/weight ratio: 125.1 bhp / tonne
0-62.5 mph: 8.7 seconds
Top speed: 128.1 mph
So, in summary, the golf accellerates hardest, the saxo goes fastest, the polo has the most accessible peak torque and power, ie doesn't need silly revs to get you where you're going. They all seem pretty similar though really, certainly tuned up as they almost all area I imagine the differences would be negligable. Just a case of personal preference between the cars I suppose.
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david burton
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^^^^ good post
I was very surprised that a 90bhp GT beats a 16v golf that easily.
I'd have the Golf. I hate french (and the image of the VTS) and the Golf has it over the G40 in terms of running costs and accessibility of parts. I know a lot of G40's are robust, but at the end of the day a 2.0L lump pushing out 140bhp is going to be less stressed that a 1.3 supercharged lump.
I was very surprised that a 90bhp GT beats a 16v golf that easily.
I'd have the Golf. I hate french (and the image of the VTS) and the Golf has it over the G40 in terms of running costs and accessibility of parts. I know a lot of G40's are robust, but at the end of the day a 2.0L lump pushing out 140bhp is going to be less stressed that a 1.3 supercharged lump.
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I would (and have) taken the G40 route.
Irrespective of figures a G40 would eat the Saxo and Golf in a straight line, this has been proven. Also both the Golf and Saxo are 16v so get their power higher up the rev range no? I've heard of modified G40s whooping R32 Golfs at Santa Pod, and I've seen them do the same to Audi TTs at Inters a few years back. These are daily driver ones too, not really heavily tuned track day weapons. Not to be underestimated!
Handling wise though the G40 is miles behind though, the others have a far better chassis. Really it's worth spending money on the G40's chassis before going all out under the bonnet. That's what I'm doing with mine.
Also, I've seen what happens to both a Mk2 Polo and a Pug 106 in an accident (therefore effectively I've seen a Mk3 Polo and a Saxo in a way). I'd take the Polo every time. My Dad got hit front 3/4 by a stolen Cavalier 11 years ago driving a Mk2 Polo. The force of the accident spun the car, bent the roof and mangled the front end of the car beyond recognition but Dad walked away with whiplash. Similar collision, but on the passenger side, with my mate's 106 and he wound up with the passenger side door near his leg and a dashboard in his lap. The collision ripped off the rear beam off the car and left only the boot undamaged. To be fair he walked away too but the state of the car afterwards was worse than the Polo. I'd imagine a Golf is even better.
I'm very surprised to hear that a 90bhp GT would whoop a 16v Golf in all respects. Yolmol's car is certainly not an average GT, it's a very strong car, but I'd have to see it to believe it. It should whoop an 8v, but a 16v... I dunno. Off the line maybe, but at high speed?
My GT had 84bhp and 85lbs/ft torque and though it was hardly slow it wouldn't come close to a 16v Mk2 Golf unless the driver of the other car didn't know how to drive it properly!
Irrespective of figures a G40 would eat the Saxo and Golf in a straight line, this has been proven. Also both the Golf and Saxo are 16v so get their power higher up the rev range no? I've heard of modified G40s whooping R32 Golfs at Santa Pod, and I've seen them do the same to Audi TTs at Inters a few years back. These are daily driver ones too, not really heavily tuned track day weapons. Not to be underestimated!
Handling wise though the G40 is miles behind though, the others have a far better chassis. Really it's worth spending money on the G40's chassis before going all out under the bonnet. That's what I'm doing with mine.
Also, I've seen what happens to both a Mk2 Polo and a Pug 106 in an accident (therefore effectively I've seen a Mk3 Polo and a Saxo in a way). I'd take the Polo every time. My Dad got hit front 3/4 by a stolen Cavalier 11 years ago driving a Mk2 Polo. The force of the accident spun the car, bent the roof and mangled the front end of the car beyond recognition but Dad walked away with whiplash. Similar collision, but on the passenger side, with my mate's 106 and he wound up with the passenger side door near his leg and a dashboard in his lap. The collision ripped off the rear beam off the car and left only the boot undamaged. To be fair he walked away too but the state of the car afterwards was worse than the Polo. I'd imagine a Golf is even better.
I'm very surprised to hear that a 90bhp GT would whoop a 16v Golf in all respects. Yolmol's car is certainly not an average GT, it's a very strong car, but I'd have to see it to believe it. It should whoop an 8v, but a 16v... I dunno. Off the line maybe, but at high speed?
My GT had 84bhp and 85lbs/ft torque and though it was hardly slow it wouldn't come close to a 16v Mk2 Golf unless the driver of the other car didn't know how to drive it properly!
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To be honest if you're going to bring safety into it then you're talking about the wrong cars 
I know VW's are built pretty solidly, but an old polo will crumple just like a saxo if you put it through the same accident. Front and rear crumple zones are all you have, and they've very basic, early attempts. I would trust a golf a bit more, but I really don't think the polo would fair very much better than a saxo given exactly the same circumstances.
I'm also suspicious about the 90 bhp GT vs GTi 16v business.. the 16v is a very quick car.. 90bhp is a very impressive figure for a GT but let's face it it's no super car.. sure it's not just a difference in driving skill?
I know VW's are built pretty solidly, but an old polo will crumple just like a saxo if you put it through the same accident. Front and rear crumple zones are all you have, and they've very basic, early attempts. I would trust a golf a bit more, but I really don't think the polo would fair very much better than a saxo given exactly the same circumstances.I'm also suspicious about the 90 bhp GT vs GTi 16v business.. the 16v is a very quick car.. 90bhp is a very impressive figure for a GT but let's face it it's no super car.. sure it's not just a difference in driving skill?
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Krupa
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That's what I'm saying, despite the 106/Saxo body being more modern than the Polo in a similar accident the Polo came off better.
The Polo was hit at ~50mph by a stolen Cavalier on the driver's side at the front, it was pretty mangled but Dad was able to open the driver's side door and get out.
The 106 was hit at roughly the same speed by a Fiesta and it came off a lot worse.
I wouldn't call the 16v Golf a "very quick car", it's only a hot hatch (so are the VTS and G40 let's not forget that!) but yes it's certainly fast. I'd say the GT is more of a warm hatch than a hot hatch, even yolmol's which is as I've said a pretty special example.
A VTR or 8v Golf yes, but a 16v Golf or a VTS? Like I say I'd need to see it to believe it. That's not saying it's not impossible, but it's not something I can picture.
The Polo was hit at ~50mph by a stolen Cavalier on the driver's side at the front, it was pretty mangled but Dad was able to open the driver's side door and get out.
The 106 was hit at roughly the same speed by a Fiesta and it came off a lot worse.
I wouldn't call the 16v Golf a "very quick car", it's only a hot hatch (so are the VTS and G40 let's not forget that!) but yes it's certainly fast. I'd say the GT is more of a warm hatch than a hot hatch, even yolmol's which is as I've said a pretty special example.
A VTR or 8v Golf yes, but a 16v Golf or a VTS? Like I say I'd need to see it to believe it. That's not saying it's not impossible, but it's not something I can picture.
crash's
keeping the subject on crash's lol
my mate was in a mk2 polo. was driving along a road which had cars parked on roadside and pavement. They where on his side on the road and a car was coming towards him, so he pulled into a gap to left the car go by, which it did.....then he was jsut about to pull out of the gap and carry on with the jorney when a car went shooting past him and caught the right hand corner of the rear bumper....hard enough to spin his car out into the road.....almost 180 degrees.....lol and guess what...
his bumper came uncliped and a tiny dent near the bracket/clip for it...fixed then and there and carried on with his jorney...
i no its not really a crash....but you gotta give polos and volkswagen credit they are very strong cars....always have been and can easily beat small french cars for robustness and saftey any day....the only strong french cars are the bigger models and have so many crumple zones they are like sitting in tin cans....
my gran have a 106....sum1 rolled into her boot in a line of traffic and she had to have a whole new rear end up to the axle....just coz it crumpled so much lol ..
i would def have a G40 just because they are superchaged and rare...how many of your mates will have one...
compared to how many ppl have VTS's
my mate was in a mk2 polo. was driving along a road which had cars parked on roadside and pavement. They where on his side on the road and a car was coming towards him, so he pulled into a gap to left the car go by, which it did.....then he was jsut about to pull out of the gap and carry on with the jorney when a car went shooting past him and caught the right hand corner of the rear bumper....hard enough to spin his car out into the road.....almost 180 degrees.....lol and guess what...
his bumper came uncliped and a tiny dent near the bracket/clip for it...fixed then and there and carried on with his jorney...
i no its not really a crash....but you gotta give polos and volkswagen credit they are very strong cars....always have been and can easily beat small french cars for robustness and saftey any day....the only strong french cars are the bigger models and have so many crumple zones they are like sitting in tin cans....
my gran have a 106....sum1 rolled into her boot in a line of traffic and she had to have a whole new rear end up to the axle....just coz it crumpled so much lol ..
i would def have a G40 just because they are superchaged and rare...how many of your mates will have one...
compared to how many ppl have VTS's
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I have only seen about 10 different VTS's ever.
In Maidstone alone there are at least 7 G40's, 4 of which are black.
I would say the VTS is a pretty rare car too.
I would still rather have a G40 though. The handling issue can be resolved easily by simply using them green polyflex ARB blocks. The difference they make is amazing.
In Maidstone alone there are at least 7 G40's, 4 of which are black.
I would say the VTS is a pretty rare car too.
I would still rather have a G40 though. The handling issue can be resolved easily by simply using them green polyflex ARB blocks. The difference they make is amazing.