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To look at quite nice
sat in one today was offered a good price off mine .

will be having a spin in it tommorow they are taking it out of the showroom just for me !

will keep you up to date

yeah had a go on sunday in one not that much better than a 6n2
handling speed not much in it .
you'd have thought that in six years they would have made a big improvement .
i dont think that they have .economical gti whats the point why put 150 bhp in it why not 180 bhp standard?
aftermarket this can easily be done, we know the 18 t is a great engine alot of people wont want to modify it though insurance warrenty after three years big power though ! who could wait ?

five speed why not a six speed ? a gti as the flagship model should be the best it can be as a standard car .whats the point in holding back vw ?£15.000 please !

The old polo gti had xenon lights new one has not its gone back a step ?

i dont know why vw didn't put that new 1.4 tsi engine in it 170bhp .torque 240 nm standard this is an up to date engine for a brand new model to set it apart from other polos .

This is what vw should be all about .keep things up to date cutting edge advanced fresh new etc etc

maybe they will put that engine 1.4 tsi in the polo. 170 bhp in a standard polo would be more like it . i hope they do just my thoughts .
i had a go in a golf gti now where talking and for the extra money i think i will be waiting or get one a year old maybe .

sorry if i seem to be slating vw guys we know that the 6n2 is quite a rare site on our roads the new one in my opinion will be even more so .this could make it more of a reason to buy one ?
i cant see that many people wanting to part with £15.000 for one .when you can get the golf for around £18.000 most people buy their cars on finance and it would not be that much more per month to finance the extra money

sorry for the rant this might be just my view though .

hope nobody is offended . my last four cars have been vw .my next one will be vag no doubt unless i am tempted else where.

jay

I agree with you, it should of had at least 180bhp. I mean Renault do it with the Clio which is lighter, so why can't VW

i know the 6n2 was only 125 bhp but this was the best it could be we do stuggle for abit more power here and ther but all in all vw did well out of a normaly aspirated 1.6 . honda 2.0 type r 197 bhp well done honda !

Yeah 125bhp is quite impressive for a n/a 1.6. Only Honda really do more than that

It's a shame but as other people have said it's just too expensive to justify spending £15k on. You only need to look at what else you can buy in terms of performance/size/specification for that kind of cash and you'll realise how bad a deal it is. For example:-

Focus ST225 - £17.5k
New Clio Renaultsport 192 (or whatever the call it) - circa £15k

Only £2.5k more buys you a bigger, better specced, better handling and massively more powerful focus! Or for the same cash you can have a Clio192 which is likely to be superior to the Polo in every way(power,handling,spec) for a similar price.
And dont think I'm biased against VW as I've owned a PoloGTI 6N2 and currently drive a MK5 Golf GTi! It's just that for the money they're asking it doesn't make any real sense.
I also cant believe the spec's worse than what it was on my PoloGti 6 years ago either given how much more the car costs!

I still miss the Xenon's i had on my Polo. They were awesome

Hi,

I have owned a Polo Gti 1.8T for about 3 months now. The benefits of living in Australia

A few points.

1. The 1.8T is very tight when new. Feels rather lethargic. It starts to loosen up nicely with about 1000km on the clock.

Once run in the 1.8T will put out around 95kw at the wheels. This is within a smidgen of a 206 gti 180!! VW have underrated the engine at 110kw. It is more likely putting out 120+kw.

I have had my car "chipped" by APR. This nets.... 125kw at the wheels.



This is far more than the Clio/206 or even the new Clio 197 will have at the wheels.

The dbw version of the 1.8T in the Polo is much improved over the similar unit of the Golf IV Gti turbo. It puts out more power as standard, revs better, sounds better and responds to chipping better.

2. Price. Here the Polo Gti is loaded. Only options are Sunroof and leather. Everything else is standard. Cost AUD $27000. To get into a basic spec Golf Gti would cost me AUD13000 more. Thats close to 50% more!

3. Handling: The continentals take a long time to bed in. Also, the wheel alignment usually needs to be checked. Mine was out from delivery and having it reset improved the handling.

How does the chassis cope with all that extra power though, I've heard that the GTI doesn't handle that well with the standard 150bhp where as the clio has a superb chassis that can handle the power

damci wrote:How does the chassis cope with all that extra power though, I've heard that the GTI doesn't handle that well with the standard 150bhp where as the clio has a superb chassis that can handle the power

Its the torque thats the issue. The standard Gti has more torque far lower in the rev range than the Clio (which i have driven). The Clio can torque steer quite badly when accelerated flatout from rest . The Polo sorta does a bit of a wander under max throttle.

Current my Polo has 330Nm.

There's an excellent comparison between the polo gti and a clio 172 on the cliosport website.

Link

Mostly on page 3 onwards.

GaryUK wrote:There's an excellent comparison between the polo gti and a clio 172 on the cliosport website.

Link

Mostly on page 3 onwards.

A nice little comparison that, I don't think the clio boys were too impressed with it tho come on VW put that 180bhp engine in and give it a more aggressive look...

Reason VW won't make the Polo GTi any quicker out the box, is because they don't want it to sit too close to the Golf GTi in terms of performance.

Which just leaves it overpriced and underspecced in the UK hot-hatch market.

Redline wrote:Reason VW won't make the Polo GTi any quicker out the box, is because they don't want it to sit too close to the Golf GTi in terms of performance.

Which just leaves it overpriced and underspecced in the UK hot-hatch market.

This is basically the problem. Renault are about to release the Clio192 as they don't seem fussed about the fact that it's probably going to be as fast as the megane225 despite costing £5k less. Had VW given the Polo 180bhp (or perhaps the 170bhp TSi engine) then it could have been seen as a genuine rival but given the cut in spec/power it's likely to be seen as little more than an expensive curiosity.
It's made to look all the worse by putting itself in the same performance/spec bracket like the Colt CZT/Fiesta ST which are several thousand pounds less. When they brought out the last Polo GTi it was on par preformance-wise with the MK4 Golf GTi150 and had a better spec/interior than it's competitors at the time which helped justifty the price premium.

It's simple. VW need to take the Polo GTI to sub 8 secs as standard, the Golf GTI sub 7 and the R32 sub 6.

Poor new GTI got beaten by the Mini Cooper S and the Fiesta ST in Auto Express

I am interested to know where you guys get your figures?

Looking at VW pricing it seems a basic 3 dr Gti Golf is UKP5000+ more than the base Polo GTi. I asssume that is still a fair whack of money over there. The Polo is also similarly priced to the Fiesta ST. In reality this is the market it is aimed at.

The Clio 197 will not be faster than the Megane 225. If anything it maybe slightly slower than the Clio 182. Will it be as good as the Old 182? Who knows, the 225 sure didn't hit the mark. Remember there is as near to zero upgradeability for the 197. The polo has a plethora of upgrade options.

VW does seem to price its vehicles at a premium.. doesn't seem to hurt sales of the the Golf Gti. The quality of the Polo is a order of magnitude better than the CLio 182.