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mk4 engines
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:24 am
by wrighty1979
Hi all im new on here but ive got a few questions to ask so your help would be great
I have a 1l 6n which is shall we say slow and would like to change the engine. Options im looking at are
1.4 8v
1.4 16v
I know that the 16v im also going to need loom and ecu but am i going to need these fo the 8v. I have the chance of a mk3 golf 1.4 8v and was woundering weather this is a good option as i would have all the bits that i would need
Many thanks in advance
Re: mk4 engines
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:33 am
by bstardchild
wrighty1979 wrote:Hi all im new on here but ive got a few questions to ask so your help would be great
I have a 1l 6n which is shall we say slow and would like to change the engine. Options im looking at are
1.4 8v
1.4 16v
I know that the 16v im also going to need loom and ecu but am i going to need these fo the 8v. I have the chance of a mk3 golf 1.4 8v and was woundering weather this is a good option as i would have all the bits that i would need
Many thanks in advance
From my perspective the difference you will notice between a 1.0 and a 1.4 8v is not worth the effort of an engine transplant unless the engine was free and you can do all the work yourself
1.6 8v would be better
1.4 16v even better
But I would still always recommend changing your car to one with the engine you want rather than changing the engine in the car you have
Main reason is insurance companies don't like engine swaps and you end up paying more than if you just changed your car
JM2pW
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:40 am
by monkeyalan
yup. don't build something you can buy.
it's a waste of money and the insurance companies will shaft you from behind.
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:02 am
by wrighty1979
insurence isnt a problem im 28 with full ncb have spoken to my insurence company said it would put my premium up buy a whole 100 quid a year if i was to go to a 1.4 16 v all the work i can carry out myself
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:13 am
by monkeyalan
even without the insurance side of things it's a daft move.
the amount of money you will spend on a conversion will by far outweigh what it would cost for a new car .
a decent 1.4 16v can be bought for £2-2.5k.
you're not only going to need the engine ,ecu and loom. you'll also need new suspension and brakes and probably the clocks. even then your going to be stuck with the basic 1ltr interior unless you swap that at even more expense.
but, having said all that , it's your money mate.
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:40 am
by wrighty1979
it currently has coilovers , full poly bush kit and mk5 gti brakes interior wise it has 2 bucket seats a one off weld in 6 point cage no carpets it is possibly going to have a stack instrument cluster in a one off carbon dash this is a sprint and hill climb car which is still road legal so buying another car is not an option there has been a lot of money spent getting it this far but i want to compeate in a higher engine class hence keeping it a small engine idealy it needs to be below 1.6
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:47 am
by monkeyalan
well thats a different kettle of fish all together.
the thing to bear in mind re the 16v engine is that it has a fairly weak gearbox.
i'd go for a 1.6 if i were you.
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:22 pm
by bstardchild
wrighty1979 wrote:it currently has coilovers , full poly bush kit and mk5 gti brakes interior wise it has 2 bucket seats a one off weld in 6 point cage no carpets it is possibly going to have a stack instrument cluster in a one off carbon dash this is a sprint and hill climb car which is still road legal so buying another car is not an option there has been a lot of money spent getting it this far but i want to compeate in a higher engine class hence keeping it a small engine idealy it needs to be below 1.6
Well there you bloomin go - telling only half a story!!!!
1.6 16V Gti lump from a 6n2 - gotta be the odd one written of by now
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:11 pm
by Dee-vub
Theresa a GTI engine and box forsale on Clubpolo right now for £450 quid, but on top of that you'll still need the loom, ecu and clocks. but will be well worth it.
I just put a GTI into my 1.4 8v and i can tell you, its a massive difference.
Dont even consider a 1.4 8v cos they are gutless! They only have 10bhp more than the 1l and i can tell you it barely makes a difference having owned a 1l and 1.4 8v
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:03 pm
by dragon_green
second vote for the 1.6 16v, 125bhp.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:45 am
by jeci26
But then again there are other options of going for a 1.8T from an audi or something like that or what I am thinking of doing, go for a 1.9TD from a golf. Loads of options, you will still need all the same stuff if you are replacing the engine.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:56 am
by dragon_green
wrighty1979 wrote:.... idealy it needs to be below 1.6
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:26 pm
by Dee-vub
jeci26 wrote:But then again there are other options of going for a 1.8T from an audi or something like that or what I am thinking of doing, go for a 1.9TD from a golf. Loads of options, you will still need all the same stuff if you are replacing the engine.
Yeh but that is not in the slightest on the same par here The engines we are talkin about will drop straight in. The 1.8T needs a s**t load of work to get it in properly and costs a hell of alot more! Thats why some companies charge 7k + to supply and fit one for you!
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:39 pm
by NOZ
Dee-vub wrote:jeci26 wrote:But then again there are other options of going for a 1.8T from an audi or something like that or what I am thinking of doing, go for a 1.9TD from a golf. Loads of options, you will still need all the same stuff if you are replacing the engine.
Yeh but that is not in the slightest on the same par here The engines we are talkin about will drop straight in. The 1.8T needs a **** load of work to get it in properly and costs a hell of alot more! Thats why some companies charge 7k + to supply and fit one for you!
Hi guys, I reckon if the conditions changed that drasticaly that a new cars not in the question, then he might aswell dump a huge 1.9TD engine in it to make it more unique
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:33 pm
by dragon_green
uhm, is anyone listening to what the guy is asking for?
-engines that drop in with relative ease
-less than 1.6
Why are people suggesting 1.8Ts or 1.9TDI? Both of which fail miserably on the spec.
and being 'unique' doesn't get you fast times in sprints or hillclimbs! FFS!
the longer i read this forum, the less i want to. most of the time i only log in to see what Jarno is up to.