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Ibiza Cupra wishbone bushes...

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:49 am
by OctaviaRS
Anyone got a part number? I assume others have done this mod?

My wife's Polo TDi Sport needs new bushes and the solid Cupra ones come recommended.

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:46 am
by DanDiesel
i've heard that too, and my recommendation came from Seat themselves!
i will probably have to do this mod in the new year as my wishbone bushes have been under a lot of stress for about a year now and will probably need replacing before long!

sort of a bonus is that they are not that much more expensive than the standard bushes! :D
if I were you i'd just pop into your local Seat dealer matey!

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:31 am
by OctaviaRS
I've just had a little look around. I'm guessing this is what I need http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/poloforum/v ... 073#238073

There's a split in one of them already and JBS recommended the SEAT ones when it went in for a service. I know Josh had them on his Fabia too.

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:02 pm
by RUM4MO
[quote="OctaviaRS"]I've just had a little look around. I'm guessing this is what I need http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/poloforum/v ... 073#238073

Yup, that the ones, but who will you get to fit them? I would not think that VW would use "incorrect parts" - I would get a good independant VAG fixer (who should have the correct tools) to change them, this job is not for lots of the general purpose garage guys as its very easy to destroy the aluminium consoles - especially when fitting these Seat Cupra ones as the insertion forces are very high. I believe that most of the replacement consoles get sold only as the result of garages destroying the original consoles - or playing safe and replacing the complete assembly (due to tales of wrecking the consoles while replacing the bushes). Remember if you go down the Seat Ibiza Cupra bush road, you do not have the option of buying the complete console as the Cupra assembly is different and the all the non Cupra assemblies gets the voided bush that you are trying to escape from.

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:57 pm
by OctaviaRS
The car hasn't been near a main dealer since the day we picked it up :)

Thanks for the advice RUM4MO

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:28 pm
by OctaviaRS
Had the bushes fitted today. The difference is quite noticable. A good little mod I think :D

Oh and two new Bridgestone Turanzas. £207! Ouch!

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:30 pm
by RUM4MO
Good, now you will be confident that the front wheels are pointing in the right direction! I've discovered (well I noticed this as soon as I got the bushes fitted) that the driver's side bush seems to be fitted in reverse AND it has a rotational orientation of 5>10 degrees - this means that while the car is resting on its wheels the hexagonal pin is not sitting snuggly in the hexagonal hole in the bush - it is attempting to rotate a bit. It could be worse - it could be applying a lot of strain on the rubber of the bush. Looks like I should really buy one new bush and get the VAG independent guy to replace it FOC. What makes things worse is that 6>8 weeks on, with the rain returning, the driver's side is making horrible gronshing noises - just like the split voided bushes, but the front wheels are still spot-on so the bush has just got noisey due to the misallignment and has not failed - b*ggar! My fixer is well thought of so why did I end up being unlucky - he must have noticed his mistake! Not good!! And just to add insult to injury, after this repair I got an exhaust specialist to replace the exhaust front flexi pipe - that job too has turned to poo as he used a flexi that was too short and too large a diameter which means it is too rigid, causes an annoying boom at quite a different revs AND because the post flexi section is now too long, the front hanger is hitting the cross member while reversing up our driveway - b*ggar b*ggar b*ggar! What joy!

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:56 pm
by jamesc
sorry to bring up an old subject but how much did the work set you back?

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:22 pm
by RUM4MO
jamesc wrote:sorry to bring up an old subject but how much did the work set you back?
When my car was worked on I got charged 1.25 hours labours to replace both bushes + £90 for tracking and camber + allow £50 for bushes & bolts that should really get replaced. I hope that gives you some indication of costs - hourly rates will vary depending on location. Remember if you just use the normal bushes then this cash outlay will be required every 3 or 4 years and the car will evenually fail an MOT if the bushes are torn. I managed to get my fixer to replace my O/S bush which had been fitted in reverse!

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:36 pm
by DanDiesel
my car just failed an MOT on a totally deteriorated wishbone bush so i am getting the cupra bushes (at 20p more each i couldn't say no :lol: )

they say it will be an hour per side to fit so it will work out at around £110 all in fitted etc!

one question, will i be needing my tracking and camber to be done again?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:47 pm
by jamesc
I got quoted £215 + VAT (including a 15% discount) for regular polo bushes.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:11 pm
by RUM4MO
DanDiesel wrote:my car just failed an MOT on a totally deteriorated wishbone bush so i am getting the cupra bushes (at 20p more each i couldn't say no :lol: )

they say it will be an hour per side to fit so it will work out at around £110 all in fitted etc!

one question, will i be needing my tracking and camber to be done again?
As I said my indep charged 1.25Hrs for dropping the crossbeam, removing the consoles, replacing the rear bearings, refitting the consoles and refitting the crossbeam. That seemed a bit short - dealers seem to quote 1.0Hrs per side. As for getting the four wheel alignment checked/set-up, the dealers are meant to use a set of indexing pins so that no re-alignment is necessary - they should be able to refit the crossbeam in exactly the original position (in theory), the positioning of this is critical to correct and equal camber angles. In practise, for many reasons your front suspension will probably not start being "spot on" so after this repair including any error in refitting the crossmember it will not be as good as you could get with a full alignment check/set-up. So, after all that, I would get a proper VAG indep to do the work especially one with a "state of the art" four wheel alignment rig - that way you will end up with the best results - remember dealers tend to have adequate alignment rigs not "state of the art" ones - doing it this way should not mean it costs much more and the end result will be better. Why mess around fitting braces etc when you don't get the alignment set up correctly? The car will always drive "better" if the alignment is "spot on". Also encourage him to change any coated bolts when should be changed.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:19 pm
by RUM4MO
jamesc wrote:I got quoted £215 + VAT (including a 15% discount) for regular polo bushes.
I hope you follow the trend you see here and on Briskoda.net and don't even consider the regular voided bushes, some people have used the voided bush from the new Golf assembly (the assemblies cost £35 each) - you cut the cast aluminium "ring" of the assembly and just use the bush as normal - these bushes are thought to be a "halfway house" between the regular voided bushes and the Ibiza Cupra solid bush - but I'd just stick to the Ibiza Cupra solid bush as it seems that you can expect to fit and forget it.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:22 pm
by DanDiesel
plus the Ibiza Cupra bush is only £6.80ish from my local garage who are vw/audi/seat/skoda specialists!

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:25 pm
by jamesc
so what would I need to ask the garage I choose to do the work? Word for word ideally, as I want to see if the local place can do it before I try to find a decent VW indep