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DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:06 pm
by biff+
Anyone had this or know about this? Had it three times yesterday with the GTI. The manual shift mode got stuck, twice in second gear and once in first. It wouldn't shift up or down with paddles or stick, and flicking it into D didn't free it up either. The end fault was being stuck in gear and having no throttle, but the car was still running.

It only freed itself by selecting P and then switching off, then on again. VW roadside came out today with diagnostics, but there system was all clear.

Not awfully happy with that on a three week old car.

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:48 pm
by Edi30
biff+ wrote:Anyone had this or know about this? Had it three times yesterday with the GTI. The manual shift mode got stuck, twice in second gear and once in first. It wouldn't shift up or down with paddles or stick, and flicking it into D didn't free it up either. The end fault was being stuck in gear and having no throttle, but the car was still running.

It only freed itself by selecting P and then switching off, then on again. VW roadside came out today with diagnostics, but there system was all clear.

Not awfully happy with that on a three week old car.
Not heard or experienced this with DSG on the three cars I have had with DSG. Have you looked on line to see if there is anything about this? I guess you must be unlucky :shock:

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:26 am
by Grey_Polo
Sounds like a warrantee job.

I have now covered 22,000kms in 15 months and am still unsure is the DSG is all it's cracked up to be (1.4 16V petrol). There are times when it seems caught out by a sudden need for power, like slowing down approaching a roundabout and then seeing a space and hitting the gas. This will sometimes induce a 'jump' and the car leaps forward with a bang from the DSG box...

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:31 am
by whitegtipolo
Grey_Polo wrote:Sounds like a warrantee job.

I have now covered 22,000kms in 15 months and am still unsure is the DSG is all it's cracked up to be (1.4 16V petrol). There are times when it seems caught out by a sudden need for power, like slowing down approaching a roundabout and then seeing a space and hitting the gas. This will sometimes induce a 'jump' and the car leaps forward with a bang from the DSG box...
This is my second dsg and much better than my last you have to be forgiving and learn how it works etc.its not a full auto it has a propper clutch and tries to antisipate your actions i love it as its so fast

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:53 pm
by CTCELT900
Can a DSG box stall? Just wondering, if it has two clutches, could it stall like a manual does?

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:46 pm
by Edi30
Grey_Polo wrote:Sounds like a warrantee job.

I have now covered 22,000kms in 15 months and am still unsure is the DSG is all it's cracked up to be (1.4 16V petrol). There are times when it seems caught out by a sudden need for power, like slowing down approaching a roundabout and then seeing a space and hitting the gas. This will sometimes induce a 'jump' and the car leaps forward with a bang from the DSG box...
Sounds like a regular auto (kick down) in that situation. I have never experienced this in my DSG equipped cars. I always drive mine in manual (it is a manual after all) so am always in the right gear for the road speed so don't need kick down. :D

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:47 pm
by Edi30
CTCELT900 wrote:Can a DSG box stall? Just wondering, if it has two clutches, could it stall like a manual does?
Short answer, No not possible driving it normally.

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:12 am
by BonsaiTiger
Mines three weeks old as well so I'll keep an eye out for it, it would be a recall if it happened a few times wouldnt it? I'm not sure how it works.

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:54 pm
by CTCELT900
Edi30 wrote:
Grey_Polo wrote:Sounds like a warrantee job.

I have now covered 22,000kms in 15 months and am still unsure is the DSG is all it's cracked up to be (1.4 16V petrol). There are times when it seems caught out by a sudden need for power, like slowing down approaching a roundabout and then seeing a space and hitting the gas. This will sometimes induce a 'jump' and the car leaps forward with a bang from the DSG box...
Sounds like a regular auto (kick down) in that situation. I have never experienced this in my DSG equipped cars. I always drive mine in manual (it is a manual after all) so am always in the right gear for the road speed so don't need kick down. :D
I thought the DSG was classed as a auto? It is not strictly a manual, but a automated manual. If you prefer driving manuals, why get a DSG?

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:26 pm
by Edi30
CTCELT900 wrote:
Edi30 wrote: I thought the DSG was classed as a auto? It is not strictly a manual, but a automated manual. If you prefer driving manuals, why get a DSG?
Department of transport might consider DSG as an auto but it just isn't. Look up DSG on Wikipedia. It is a race derived manual with electro-mechanical shift capable of shifting in about 8 hundreds of a second. Quite simply it is the best gearbox ever to be fitted to a road car even a Bugatti Veyron is fitted with it's own special DSG gearbox. I used to be a must have a manual gearbox only as I hate auto slush torque converter type boxes which are slow and sap power. Since having DSG I would never have a manual if DSG was an option. They are the best of both worlds. I just prefer to drive mine in manual mode and use the paddles to change up and down as it's slick and very fast plus you get a nice blip of the throttle on the down change. :D

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:30 pm
by CTCELT900
Edi30 wrote:
CTCELT900 wrote:
Edi30 wrote: I thought the DSG was classed as a auto? It is not strictly a manual, but a automated manual. If you prefer driving manuals, why get a DSG?
Department of transport might consider DSG as an auto but it just isn't. Look up DSG on Wikipedia. It is a race derived manual with electro-mechanical shift capable of shifting in about 8 hundreds of a second. Quite simply it is the best gearbox ever to be fitted to a road car even a Bugatti Veyron is fitted with it's own special DSG gearbox. I used to be a must have a manual gearbox only as I hate auto slush torque converter type boxes which are slow and sap power. Since having DSG I would never have a manual if DSG was an option. They are the best of both worlds. I just prefer to drive mine in manual mode and use the paddles to change up and down as it's slick and very fast plus you get a nice blip of the throttle on the down change. :D
Interesting. I drive a VW Polo with hand controls. I am changing my car next year. If I get a DSG Polo, I would have to drive it mainly in 'auto' mode, is this possible with the DSG box?

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:36 pm
by Edi30
CTCELT900 wrote:Interesting. I drive a VW Polo with hand controls. I am changing my car next year. If I get a DSG Polo, I would have to drive it mainly in 'auto' mode, is this possible with the DSG box?
You can drive it in full auto mode as well :D

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:51 pm
by CTCELT900
Edi30 wrote:
CTCELT900 wrote:Interesting. I drive a VW Polo with hand controls. I am changing my car next year. If I get a DSG Polo, I would have to drive it mainly in 'auto' mode, is this possible with the DSG box?
You can drive it in full auto mode as well :D
Cheers. I have heard though it can be a bit jerky in auto mode. Is this true?

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:42 pm
by Edi30
If you drive it normally with no lead foot then you won't even feel the changes. However if you are driving in a high gear at say 40 and put your foot to the floor then like an auto it's going to kick down to 2nd with a bit of a jolt but no worse than a conventional auto :lol:

Re: DSG 'crashing'

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:46 pm
by Grey_Polo
Edi30 wrote:If you drive it normally with no lead foot then you won't even feel the changes. However if you are driving in a high gear at say 40 and put your foot to the floor then like an auto it's going to kick down to 2nd with a bit of a jolt but no worse than a conventional auto :lol:
Which brings us back to my point. My 1.4 doesn't have paddles and I bought it as an automatic and use 'D' 99% of the time and 'S' 1%.

Pull off a motorway, slow down for a roundabout, see a space and floor the accelerator and you will experience the DSG 'Jump'...