6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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And how does the cruise control behave when you drive? BCM coding? ECU coding? Any errors?
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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Hi StefanH, pin 56 is correct for your engine.

I think that the CCS in your Ibiza should be activated by SWaP an FeC, please search these definitions online.
Or look how the CCS is activated in your Ibiza 6P which is like a Polo 6C (PQ26) and not a Polo 6R (PQ25).

This thread is only useful for PQ25.

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Edit ...

Well, now that I have read your user posts I see that you are already well informed.
There are real wizards who can enable your CCS through an online connection but it is necessary that you have a working VAS on the computer that is connected to your car. Preferably VAS 5054.
Confidence/trust in something or someone is something own to each individual, since you comment that some workshops are not reliable (I totally agree with you),
but as Matt Damon💎 says in an advertisement/commercial ... "fortune favours the brave"...



To make it easier to understand, please focus your attention on the video I posted here:
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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If I switch it on, it displays a Cruise Control symbol in the display with an exclamation mark. That's all.
But in my opinion this is a small hint, that Cruise Control is enabled. This didn't happened, before I went to the official Seat Workshop.
So I assume, they enabled it, but since there is still something wrong, it won't work. But just a small guess.

Okay, I will tank my time in the evening to follow your video. Thank yo already for reading my entire post :)
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In that case, it may just be a little coding or adaptation problem, units and components must know what to do.

With the VCDS you can do a complete reading of all the adaptations/codings of your car at once.
Auto-scan and, Applictations --> Controller Channel Map ---> Whole Vehicle + Adaptations + CSV. file ---> Go. The files will be generated in the logs folder of the VCDS program. They can be opened with Excel.

You would only have to compare with those of another car with the same conditions (the same CCS you installed) in the units/components involved (01, 09, 19, ...).
winmerge is a good program to do this quickly and easily. 8)
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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I would let someone program my car, if this is, how I get my CC to work, but I don't have a suited VAS.
Is there someone, how can borrow it in Germany? Preferred some where around Nürnberg?
I checked today also the separated readings for clutch and break signals. Both working fine, so it looks like just the information missing for the GRA.
Since it was already dark outside today, I didn't checked the pin on the ECU, but I will check it in the next few days.

This is my reading: Has someone a similar car with similar settings?

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Montag,15,November,2021,20:49:26:00009
VCDS -- Windows-basierter VAG/VAS-Emulator läuft auf Windows 7 x64(VirtualBox)
VCDS Version PCI 20.4.2.1
Datenstand: 20200919 DS317.0
www.vcdspro.de


Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: VSSZZZ6JZGRXXXXX   KFZ-Kennzeichen: xxxx
Kilometerstand: 110043km   Reparaturauftrag: 



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Fahrzeugtyp: 6J-SE26 (6C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 44 5F

Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: VSSZZZ6JZGRXXXXX   Kilometerstand: 110043km

01-Motorelektronik -- Status: Fehler 0010
03-Bremsenelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
08-Klima-/Heizungsel. -- Status: i.O. 0000
09-Zentralelektrik -- Status: i.O. 0000
15-Airbag -- Status: i.O. 0000
17-Schalttafeleinsatz -- Status: i.O. 0000
19-Diagnoseinterface -- Status: i.O. 0000
44-Lenkhilfe -- Status: i.O. 0000
5F-Informationselek. I -- Status: Fehler 0010
 
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Adresse 01: Motorelektronik (J623-CJZC)       Labeldatei:. DRV\04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 04E 906 027 BB    HW: 04E 907 309 AF
   Bauteil: R4 1.2l TFS   H22 9085  
   Revision: R4H22---    
   Codierung: 01110012232410080000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 04695 005 104857
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB 001009
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB.rod
   VCID: 65C104936461CFAE81-8031

   Bedieneinheit Mittelkonsole 1: 

3 Fehlercodes gefunden:
17149 - Codierung/Varianten der Steuergeräte im Antriebsstrang prüfen 
          P1647 00 [175] - -
          [Neue Funktion! Erweiterte UDS Fehlercode Informationen werden nur von der aktuellen Hardware-Generationen unterstützt.]
          Warnleuchte EIN - bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
             Umgebungsbedingungen:
                    Fehlerstatus: 00000001
                    Fehlerpriorität: 2
                    Fehlerhäufigkeit: 80
                    Kilometerstand: 109484 km
                    Datum: 2021.10.18
                    Zeit: 16:07:31

                    Motordrehzahl: 0.00 /min
                    Normierter Lastwert: 0.0 %
                    Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 0 km/h
                    Kühlmitteltemperatur: 66 °C
                    Ansauglufttemperatur: 21 °C
                    Umgebungsluftdruck: 990 mbar
                    Spannung Klemme 30: 11.991 V
                    Verlernzähler nach OBD: 40
                    Massenstrom über Drosselklappe: 0.0 kg/h
                    Mittlere Einspritzzeit: 0.000 ms
                    Betriebszustand Motor: Leerlauf
                    Betriebszustand Motor-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5

10203 - Verbrennungsaussetzer erkannt 
          P0300 00 [096] - -
          Sporadisch - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
             Umgebungsbedingungen:
                    Fehlerstatus: 00000001
                    Fehlerpriorität: 2
                    Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
                    Kilometerstand: 109924 km
                    Datum: 2021.11.07
                    Zeit: 11:52:48

                    Motordrehzahl: 893.00 /min
                    Normierter Lastwert: 53.3 %
                    Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 2 km/h
                    Kühlmitteltemperatur: 6 °C
                    Ansauglufttemperatur: 4 °C
                    Umgebungsluftdruck: 980 mbar
                    Spannung Klemme 30: 14.654 V
                    Verlernzähler nach OBD: 35
                    Lambdasonde Bank 1 Sonde 1: Sollwert: 1.0000
                    Lambdasonde 2 Bank1 Innenwiderstand Grenzwert: 700 Ohm
                    Langfristige Anpassung der Gemischbildung Bank 1 im Leerlauf: 0.14 %

10592 - Zylinder 2 
          P0302 00 [096] - Verbrennungsaussetzer erkannt
          Sporadisch - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
             Umgebungsbedingungen:
                    Fehlerstatus: 00000001
                    Fehlerpriorität: 2
                    Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
                    Kilometerstand: 109924 km
                    Datum: 2021.11.07
                    Zeit: 11:53:44

                    Motordrehzahl: 893.00 /min
                    Normierter Lastwert: 53.3 %
                    Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 2 km/h
                    Kühlmitteltemperatur: 6 °C
                    Ansauglufttemperatur: 4 °C
                    Umgebungsluftdruck: 980 mbar
                    Spannung Klemme 30: 14.654 V
                    Verlernzähler nach OBD: 35
                    Aussetzererkennung Referenzmoment: 11.568 %
                    Aussetzer Summenzähler: 138
                    Zähler nichtplausible Kurzzeitadaptionswerte Aussetzererkennung: 4

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik (J104)       Labeldatei:. DRV\6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6C0 907 379 K    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
   Bauteil: ESP9.0i       H03 0004  
   Seriennummer: 08505773150616
   Codierung: 11DD247D492433C10919006F0059882492CC90000005C8098F00
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00190
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100020
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
   VCID: 377D9EDB8E4D8D3EE3-8063

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 08: Klima-/Heizungsel. (J301)       Labeldatei:| DRV\6C0-820-045.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6P0 820 045     HW: 6P0 820 045 
   Bauteil: AC Manuell    H01 0108  
   Seriennummer:  1506091B-1614
   Codierung: 000000000000100000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00190
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_ACManueKMMValeoPQ26 002001
   ROD: EV_ACManueKMMValeoPQ26.rod
   VCID: 69D908A38879EBCEA5-803D

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 09: Zentralelektrik (J519)       Labeldatei:| 6C0-937-089-V1.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6C0 937 089 C    HW: 6C0 937 089 
   Bauteil: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H08 0084  
   Seriennummer: 001378087662
   Codierung: 080008404013405B4B844000400703000000690051010000000000000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 04695 005 1048576
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_BCMA0 005005
   ROD: EV_BCMA0_005.rod
   VCID: 306FA5C76B235A06A2-8065

   Türsteuergerät Fahrerseite: 
   Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 801 CJ    HW: 6R0 959 801 CJ  Labeldatei: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Bauteil: J386__TSG_FT  010 5110 
   Seriennummer: 13102695150630133525
   Codierung: 020000

   Türsteuergerät Beifahrerseite: 
   Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 802 CP    HW: 6R0 959 802 CP  Labeldatei: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Bauteil: J387__TSG_BT  010 5110 
   Seriennummer: 13102694150630082220
   Codierung: 020000

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 15: Airbag (J234)       Labeldatei:| 6C0-959-655.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6C0 959 655 E    HW: 6C0 959 655 E
   Bauteil: VW20Airbag018 001 0360  
   Revision: --------    Seriennummer: 003RH002LD1+
   Codierung: 88C0C000000000005C000000000800000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00109
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
   VCID: 356194D394417F2EF1-8061

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Fahrerseite: 
   Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: -----------    HW: 410 272 405 15
   Bauteil: SideSensor_Df  15B 0148 
   Seriennummer: 3495R00C91B65C62735+
   Codierung: 2D2D2D

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Beifahrerseite: 
   Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer SW: -----------    HW: 410 273 105 15
   Bauteil: SideSensor_Pf  15B 0148 
   Seriennummer: 3505R00A91B9393130CP
   Codierung: 2D2D2D

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 17: Schalttafeleinsatz (J285)       Labeldatei:| DRV\5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Teilenummer SW: 6P0 920 740     HW: 6P0 920 740 
   Bauteil: KOMBI         208 1422  
   Codierung: 072409002180000800082A001000000000000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00190
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_SE26.rod
   VCID: 6CD771B7878BFEE6DE-8039

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533)       Labeldatei:| DRV\6C0-909-901-V1.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 089 
   Bauteil: GW MQB A0     H08 0084  
   Revision: --------    Seriennummer: 001378087662
   Codierung: 010100082008560070000000000000000001000000000000000000000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 04695 005 1048576
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_GatewA0Lear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_013_VW26.rod
   VCID: 65C104936461CFAE81-8031

   Steuergerät für Multifunktionslenkrad: 
   Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 5F0 959 537     HW: 5F0 959 537   Labeldatei: DRV\3C8-959-537.CLB
   Bauteil: E221__MFL-PR6  H04 0130 
   Seriennummer: 000000000A0209040715
   Codierung: 001000

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 44: Lenkhilfe (J792)       Labeldatei:| DRV\6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6C1 909 144 AG    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
   Bauteil: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3232  
   Seriennummer: CF731484
   Codierung: 000700
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00190
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 016026
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW.rod
   VCID: 6DD17CB3BC91F7EEC9-8039

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 5F: Informationselek. I (J794)       Labeldatei:* Umleit. fehlgeschl.!
   Teilenummer SW: 5F0 035 871     HW: 5F0 035 871 
   Bauteil: MU-E--ER      851 6481  
   Seriennummer: 08051500011232
   Codierung: 04520000BE00000011110001010008002F0000840000010000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00049 770 00190
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001025
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_SK35.rod
   VCID: 63C51A8B6A55B19E6F-8037

1 Fehler gefunden:
0517 - Tieftonlautsprecher vorn rechts 
          B1062 13 [009] - Unterbrechung
          [Neue Funktion! Erweiterte UDS Fehlercode Informationen werden nur von der aktuellen Hardware-Generationen unterstützt.]
          bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
             Umgebungsbedingungen:
                    Fehlerstatus: 00000001
                    Fehlerpriorität: 6
                    Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
                    Verlernzähler: 120
                    Kilometerstand: 109488 km
                    Datum: 2021.10.18
                    Zeit: 17:57:45

                    Spannung Klemme 30: 12.7 V


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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

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Your Ibiza is well coded for CCS, both the engine unit and the BCM, and in the event that the CCS installation is correct, I'm afraid you need to buy the activation code and then activate it with the right tools.
Perhaps your SEAT dealer just checked that the coding is correct. Did you pay for the activation code at your SEAT dealer?

Nowadays it is no longer necessary to travel anywhere, with online connection, Team Viewer (eg), and sharing the USB port of the diagnostic tool (VAS), everything can be done remotely at home, as indicated in the Passat video.
That is, someone in the Antarctic with the right tools, or a neighbor 100m from your house with the right tools, can activate your CCS in no time.




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ciclo wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:34 am

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PS, wrong flag bro :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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ciclo wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:34 am
That is, someone in the Antarctic with the right tools, or a neighbor 100m from your house with the right tools, can activate your CCS in no time.
Yes this is useful as well as frightening
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Thanks again for all your replies.
I checked today the cable to the ECU.
When I installed the cable, in T94/56 already a white wire was installed. It looked like, the cable was already there, so I didn't had to bring it there. But anyway, because I had installed it already into the engine compartment, I decided to use the wire I newly installed, because I didn't know, where the original white wire ended.
Today I removed my new installed cable and replaced it by the old one, but after that, the sign of the cruise control with the exclamation mark didn't show up at all, but the EPC light was still on. So I concluded, if I remove the new installed wire, it works even less.
So I installed my new wire again and the CC sign showed up again.

I think, I can conclude, that all wires are connected correctly. Since ciclo checked my coding, I assume this should be also okay.
The last point then is, that I need an activation.

It is already few month ago, that I went to the SEAT dealer. He mentioned, he tried everything, and cannot get it to run. I ask him for an activation and he told me, that there is no activation code for this Ibiza, because there is no possibility to upgrade the cruise control on this car. It can only be included in factory.
But I had contact with Wibutec, where I bought the cable, and they told me, they can program it, even remotly, but I would need an official VCDS from a dealer otherwise the dealer ID would be 0000 and the ECU would not accept the coding. But all dealers I know have no or no official VCDS.

So it is really annoying. Why VW makes it so difficult?

So, I'm going to search for someone, who can help me removing the activation.
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But is that true what you are being told by workshops, VCDS operates in "stealth mode" so does not leave a workshop ID, I've programmed a few things on VW, Audi and SEAT, which required enabling functions via adaption - successfully, so does this mean that VCDS can not be used on newer VW Group models - I don't think so.

Edit:- I have always suspected that if I took any of the VW Group cars that I have owned to a dealership, I would have been told the same story - most of them just do not understand changing coding.

For instance, I personally imported a new 2000 VW Passat 4Motion from Intercar in Holland, when I discovered during the first winter, that the windscreen low fluid warning was not enabled and the same for the brake pad wear sensors, I asked at my local VW dealership's service department in Edinburgh about them changing the settings for me - I was eventually told that I had bought a car built using German parts and if I wanted them to sort this out for me, I would have to pay for them to buy in a new instrument panel ready programmed to VW UK settings/options and that would cost almost £1000 - "the price you pay for importing your car!".

So, I bought VCDS and made these changes very quickly - liars and idiots, but I still buy my spares from them, the parts department treat me like a customer, which was exactly the same for Intercar and the VW dealer I bought my wife's 2002 Polo from new in Holland - VW Group sales people in UK really don't try to sell us cars, they think, or did back then that the car sells itself and we just pay up at the price that they want us to - wrong!
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StefanH, please check your inbox.
There you will find my answer to your PM.

On the other hand, I forgot to tell you that in the Passat Video description you also have the e-mail address of the miracle guy ... I only comment on the fact that you are both German and I suppose that the communication between you will be more fluid.
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... some more information for everyone:

For a POLO 6C with CJZC/D engine the diagrams are identical to those posted for IBIZA 6P.

... and if this is possible:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Originales-de- ... 3.l4275.c1

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Hi guys, i have a polo 6r rhd indian unit 2015. I have installed the ccs kit from aliexpress.
The stalk i took from a 2018 car with ccs buttons and wiring from aliexpress. After installing there is check engine light and EPC light on in instrument cluster( cant accelerate my car).
Also bcm coding i have done but ecu coding says (after checking byte 5 bit 5) incorrect coding( doesnt let me code at all).
Need help guys please!
I will post vcds scan below
Any comments guys?
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Siddhants127 wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:43 pm Hi guys, ...

Any comments guys?
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