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TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:57 pm
by maxym
Hi. I changed recently my instrument cluster to version with MFA+. Exact model: 6r0 920 871a(with FW from model 6r0 920 870a. Modified by spacewalker). Unfortunetely after installing new IC i discover that the TRIP buttons on the left stalk don't work. I'm stuck at main screen(Phone) and that's it. I can't do anything else.
And even stranger every time when I turn ignition(or enter to the car) and press "OK" button for the first time the screen change(from door info to the phone info screen). But only that one time. After that pressing all kind of combination(for short or long) of TRIPS buttons do nothing.
Can someone maybe know what can be the cause of such behaviour?
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:34 pm
by ciclo
VCDS autoscan?
To know what parts are installed in your 6R.
...or pics from SW, stalks...
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:54 pm
by maxym
VCDS scan:
Code: Select all
Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56 77
VIN: WVWZZZ6RZAY085378 Mileage: 106600km-66238miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 03C-906-024-BXW.lbl
Part No SW: 03C 906 024 BH HW: 03C 906 024 BH
Component: CGGB MM4HV 8327
Revision: --H09--- Serial number:
Coding: 0000071
Shop #: WSC 00660 259 95344
VCID: 65C10795AF61C16246-5178
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: None
Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AC HW: 6R0 907 379 AC
Component: ABS8.2 front H04 0001
Revision: --------
Coding: 200228E3017500B7042814E980D900000200
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
VCID: 7F0DB5FDEAFD7BB2AC-802A
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 E HW: 6R0 820 045 E
Component: Climatic 24 0600
Revision: 00 10 24
VCID: 306FA6C1632354CA65-8064
1 Fault Found:
16372 - Control Module; Unspecified Internal Error
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 17419 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.09.19
Time: 17:36:01
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 B HW: 6R0 937 087 B
Component: PQ25 BCM H09 0025
Revision: BF009001 Serial number: 9955A264092275
Coding: 34B02BA008E12400923800003D2B0CD10040410F600000002000
Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
VCID: 3C7782F1BF6BA0AAC9-8068
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 H HW: 6R0 959 801 H Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 005 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU021.09.0910694
Coding: 08BC30
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 K HW: 6R0 959 802 K Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 005 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU022.09.0910443
Coding: 08BC30
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 605
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H09 9002
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 HW: 5K0 959 542
Component: E221__MFL-TAS H05 0010
Serial number: 0048250
Coding: 020000
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 B HW: 6R0 959 811 B
Component: J388__TSG_HL 005 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU024.09.0916209
Coding: 08BC32
Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 B HW: 6R0 959 812 B
Component: J389__TSG_HR 005 0803
Serial number: KU0-KU017.09.0915835
Coding: 08BC32
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 C HW: 6R0 959 655 C
Component: VW10Airbag005 H09 0018
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003DW0075TGJ
Coding: 003035
Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
VCID: 428BFC09D58FD65A83-8016
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3572SRB400009ADCEA3T
Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 3582SRB400009AE509FL
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
Serial number: 3516GRB40219O79F53AT
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
Serial number: 3526GRB40239O79ET3NP
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 6R0 920 870 A HW: 6R0 920 870 A
Component: KOMBI H03 0505
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 140A01
Shop #: WSC 01547 111 173991
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04113
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
VCID: 3365A9CD9A356FD218-8066
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 6R0 937 087 B
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0025
Coding: 002200
Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
VCID: 70EF66C1A3A314CA25-8024
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Component: IMMO H03 0505
Serial number:
Coding: 000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
VCID: 6ADB74A98D7FEE1A6B-803E
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
Part No: 6R0 423 156 A
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V275
Coding: 10150
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2E53B8B9ED17423A77-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J0503) Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 035 195 HW: 3C8 035 195
Component: Radio RCD510 036 0130
Revision: 00000001 Serial number: VWZ1Z3I4224830
Coding: 0100020002
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 65C107956C61C16246-8030
No fault code found.
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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 3C8-035-730-A.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 B HW: 3C8 035 730 B
Component: Telefon 011 0723
Revision: -------- Serial number: 35909603173237
Coding: 020000010100010000000101
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi A02003
ROD: EV_UHVPremi_A02.rod
VCID: 224B5C8935CFF65AE3-8076
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:43)--------------------------
I also checked with vcds measurement blocks tab in instrument cluster address and all three buttons all correctly recognized
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:12 pm
by ciclo
Thanks for the info.
Weird problem. Everything seems correct.
I guess the MFSW is without buttons on the right side. ?
A long press on the TRIP rocker switch is necessary to reach the menus. ?
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:15 pm
by ciclo
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:22 pm
by maxym
ciclo wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:12 pm
I guess the MFSW is without buttons on the right side. ?
That's right.I planned to retrofit new steering wheel after changing the IC.
I'm thinking about getting just the buttons, just to check if that would solve the problem. Maybe u know how do they work? Is it some kind of shift register? Can I shorten certain pin in the module under the airbag and BCM will register that as a button being pushed?
ciclo wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:12 pm
A long press on the TRIP rocker switch is necessary to reach the menus. ?
Sorry I don't get that one. Currently none of the action work. Neither I can go to the menu nor switch screens. If u are asking is that necessary to me I would say pretty much
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:30 am
by ciclo
Long press on either of the two TRIP buttons. Your new Instrument Cluster will display the menus.
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Your 6R, from the factory, already has the two possible electrical installations to handle the menus, from the right stalk, as from the MFSW if you install the new buttons on the right side.
Note: It will not work properly with both types of buttons installed at the same time (trip buttons on stalk and mfsw buttons on right side).
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If you install the new buttons on the right side (super easy) you have to change the coding in:
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 HW: 5K0 959 542
Component: E221__MFL-TAS H05 0010
Serial number: 0048250
Coding: 020000 (
new coding 820000)
EXAMPLE
You must change the stalks in this case.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58703&start=1080#p496280
You should look for the correct part reference number for your 6R 2010. They are not the same as you see in the previous link.
Search here:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=42713&p=466570#p466570
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:38 pm
by maxym
ciclo wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:30 am
Long press on either of the two TRIP buttons. Your new Instrument Cluster will display the menus.
I found(unfortunetely not solve) my problem today. It seems that premium bt module need buttons from MFSW not the ones from the stalks to work properly. So all TRIP buttons from the stalks are working perfectly fine just the first screen on the way(after pressing OK) is Phone and that's where everything stop working. That screen is just completely unresponsive when using stalks buttons. As soon as I disconnect BT module everything is back to normal and I can browse through the menus again using TRIP buttons.
It's the same problem as described
here
ciclo wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:30 am
Your 6R, from the factory, already has the two possible electrical installations to handle the menus, from the right stalk, as from the MFSW if you install the new buttons on the right side.
Note: It will not work properly with both types of buttons installed at the same time (trip buttons on stalk and mfsw buttons on right side).
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If you install the new buttons on the right side (super easy) you have to change the coding in:
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 HW: 5K0 959 542
Component: E221__MFL-TAS H05 0010
Serial number: 0048250
Coding: 020000 (
new coding 820000)
What is that 7th bit responsible for? I tried to change coding to 82000 today but it is rejected by the module. Connecting right buttons to the module inside the steering wheel that you mentioned should fix that?
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:04 am
by ciclo
maxym wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:38 pm
I tried to change coding to 82000 today but it is rejected by the module.
You had a fantastic idea.
If you don't have a space rocket installed in your car, would you code it as if it had a space rocket installed?
maxym wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:38 pm
Connecting right buttons to the module inside the steering wheel that you mentioned should fix that?
... the previous image is absolutely clear.
New electrónics parts = usually new codings.
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am
by maxym
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:04 am
You had a fantastic idea.
If you don't have a space rocket installed in your car, would you code it as if it had a space rocket installed?
Ehh. You should know that is not the same. You comparing another module with own can comunication to the can bus with purely physical "stupid" switches. And even then(if it was module) what do think will happen? I guess error on the can gateway that there is no such module. That's it. So thx for replying for my previous question how those button work and comunicate with module.
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:04 am
... the previous image is absolutely clear.
Ant another quote from YOU:
ciclo wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:05 pm
maxym wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:46 pm
Hi ciclo, do u know what is the function of the last bit in the first byte in the same subsystem(5K0 959 542)? 82 vs 02?
I think I had it documented, but at this moment, I don't remember and I can't find it either. Sorry.
So, NO. It is NOT clear. I don't wanna things just to be working. I wanna know WHY how it's working. And you clearly don't know it either
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:04 am
New electrónics parts = usually new codings.
Yeah. Buttons are electronics. Thx mate. You also didn't reply how those buttons working. I thought it's based on some kind of shift register but in fact it's much simpler idea. It's just different resistance for different button beeing pushed
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:59 am
by ciclo
maxym wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am
And you clearly don't know it either
You accumulate fantastic ideas in your mind, it must be fun to meet you.
Please, don't keep saying meaningless things or without knowledge, you're going to make the most frightful ridicule in the history of this forum, there's a lot of mistakes in what you're saying. Thanks.
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You should have taken this with more sense of humor,
this planet is lacking in it, and you forget that the help that is free, it's free.
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:20 am
by maxym
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:59 am
maxym wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am
And you clearly don't know it either
I don't get why it's so funny... There were two options:
1. You don't know how the buttons in the steering wheel work and that's why you didn't answer my question
2. You know and yet just decided to not answer for someone question. Why? I can jest guess.
Now when u are saying that you know only 1 option left. And that option is not funny to me at all.
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:59 am
Please, don't keep saying meaningless things or without knowledge, you're going to make the most frightful ridicule in the history of this forum, there's a lot of mistakes in what you're saying. Thanks.
So point my mistakes. Isn't that purpose of this forum? Oh, wait. That's right. You just reserve all rights to be a know-it-all and yet you didn't answer my first question. Why TRIP button are not working. So thx for massive help. There are plenty of other topics when u don't know the answer either. So...?
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:25 am
by ciclo
One clue:
Three different codings for that module (..., A, B, C) in three different languages.
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:45 am
by peter_dk25
ciclo wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:59 am
maxym wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am
And you clearly don't know it either
You accumulate fantastic ideas in your mind, it must be fun to meet you.
Please, don't keep saying meaningless things or without knowledge, you're going to make the most frightful ridicule in the history of this forum, there's a lot of mistakes in what you're saying. Thanks.
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You should have taken this with more sense of humor,
this planet is lacking in it, and you forget that the help that is free, it's free.
+1
Re: TRIPS buttons not working with MFA+ tacho
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:50 am
by ciclo
The lack of humility also devastates our planet.
