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Basic Setting of electromechanical power steering impossible

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Hello all to my first post in this forum. I was a silent reader for a long time, but now I have a problem that I can't solve myself.
Short introductory to me: I am a 22-year-old bloke from Berlin, Germany who tortures himself as well as his poor Polo 6R 2012 60bhp Style Edition by modifying it way beyond its worth. I like it to be as OEM-like as possible, there I am with my (unknowing) mentor iichel. I even use OEM-colored wiring. All I know I learned by doing it myself, I have no official education concerning car mods whatsoever.

Mods I already did:
BCM upgrade
6R H4 to 6C H7 to 6C LED headlights
Auto lights (after the plans of ciclo, but selfmade)
Infotainment and 10CH Sound System
PDC front and rear
Auto folding mirrors
Heavy modifications to a 6C speedo to house the circuit board of a seat toledo for MFA+
Retrofits of several options my car never had, like cruise control or Climatronic

But back to my problem. I am in the process of retrofitting a heated steering wheel more or less the way iichel did it. I upgraded to ESP 9.0i PQ, swapped the dashboard carrier for a 6C one, did all the wiring and installed a 6C steering column just to notice that iichel seems to have done an oopsie in his post, since he has NOT installed a 6C but a 6R EMPS column. So i bought one of those but now it just refuses to take any basic settings. I noticed the following behaviour:
1. Removing the Steering Angle Sender from the gateway list creates a fault (different to iichel, apparently)
2. When I straighten my wheels, my steering angle sender thinks i am at about -160 degrees (according to the raw data)
3. Neither in this nor in the 0.0 Degree position is it possible to do the ABS unit basic setting. It always fails, apparently for "security reasons"

Has any of you an idea how to make the two control units like each other?

Below my latest autoscan, sadly in German:


Freitag,08,Juli,2022,00:16:25:44001
VCDS -- Windows-basierter VAG/VAS-Emulator läuft auf Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: DRV 22.3.1.7
Datenstand: 20220530 DS338.0


Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: WVWZZZ6RZCY15**** KFZ-Kennzeichen:


Fahrzeugtyp: 6R-VW25 (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 37 44 47 55 5F

Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: WVWZZZ6RZCY15**** Kilometerstand: 107590km

01-Motorelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
03-Bremsenelektronik -- Status: Fehler 0010
04-Lenkwinkelsensor -- Status: i.O. 0000
08-Klima-/Heizungsel. -- Status: i.O. 0000
09-Zentralelektrik -- Status: Fehler 0010
10-Einparkhilfe 2 -- Status: i.O. 0000
15-Airbag -- Status: i.O. 0000
17-Schalttafeleinsatz -- Status: i.O. 0000
19-Diagnoseinterface -- Status: i.O. 0000
25-Wegfahrsperre -- Status: i.O. 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: i.O. 0000
44-Lenkhilfe -- Status: Fehler 0010
47-Soundsystem -- Status: i.O. 0000
55-Leuchtweitenreg. -- Status: i.O. 0000
5F-Informationselek. I -- Status: Fehler 0010

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Adresse 01: Motorelektronik (J623-CGPB) Labeldatei:. 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
Teilenummer SW: 03E 906 019 M HW: 03E 906 019 B
Bauteil: SIMOS11.1 H03 9877
Revision: --H03--- Seriennummer: CVN: F722992A
Codierung: 00110016002400080000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001010
ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
VCID: 2E54868071BCA4FF6E-807A
VINID: 9E69EAAAA1A2A93A411442460C9D751C47

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
Readiness: 0010 0101

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Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik (J104) Labeldatei:. DRV\6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 379 AS HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
Bauteil: ESP9.0i front H02 0002
Seriennummer: --------------
Codierung: 21DD2485212800C4841D246F845400400904
Betriebsnr.: WSC 01383 785 00200
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003020
ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_003_VW21.rod
VCID: 0F2A3B04D6F68DF745-805A

3 Fehlercodes gefunden:
0943 - Steuergerät für Bremse (ESP)
U10C5 00 [008] - keine oder falsche Grundeinstellung
[Neue Funktion! Erweiterte UDS Fehlercode Informationen werden nur von der aktuellen Hardware-Generationen unterstützt.]
Sporadisch - bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 19
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Datum: 2022.07.06
Zeit: 00:00:23

0990 - Geber für Lenkwinkel
B1168 54 [137] - keine Grundeinstellung
Warnleuchte EIN - bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 234
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:31:36

0993 - Geber für Lenkwinkel
B1168 54 [137] - keine Grundeinstellung
Warnleuchte EIN - bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 234
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:30:03


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Adresse 08: Klima-/Heizungsel. (J255) Labeldatei: 6R0-907-044.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 044 H HW: 6R0 907 044 H
Bauteil: Climatronic H12 0812
Revision: V0000000
VCID: 3878A0D88BF86A4F34-806C

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 09: Zentralelektrik (J519) Labeldatei:. DRV\7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Teilenummer SW: 7E0 937 090 C HW: 7E0 937 090 C
Bauteil: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0752
Revision: B9082001 Seriennummer: 4000 259171299
Codierung: 3CB02BBF48A1000021380EE0FFEB9FE1E6C067EFE08D78D0210000030800
Betriebsnr.: WSC 12345 123 61029
VCID: 2B528F944AAED1D749-807E

Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 801 DJ HW: 6R0 959 801 DJ Labeldatei: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Bauteil: J386__TSG_FT 004 0610
Seriennummer: KU0KU021031770802804
Codierung: 0200A3

Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 802 DN HW: 6R0 959 802 DN Labeldatei: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Bauteil: J387__TSG_BT 003 0610
Seriennummer: KU0KU005081662186418
Codierung: 1000AB

Subsystem 3 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 811 G HW: 6R0 959 811 G
Bauteil: J388__TSG_HL 008 1611
Seriennummer: KU0KU011111100010576
Codierung: 08BC32

Subsystem 4 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 812 G HW: 6R0 959 812 G
Bauteil: J389__TSG_HR 008 1611
Seriennummer: KU0KU014111100016138
Codierung: 08BC32

2 Fehlercodes gefunden:
01520 - Sensor für Regen- und Lichterkennung (G397)
004 - kein Signal/Kommunikation
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 01100100
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 233
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Zeitangabe: 0
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:05:32

01229 - Geber für Luftfeuchtigkeit; Klimaanlage (G260)
004 - kein Signal/Kommunikation
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 01100100
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 233
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Zeitangabe: 0
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:05:32


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Adresse 10: Einparkhilfe 2 (J446) Labeldatei:| DRV\7E0-919-475.clb
Teilenummer SW: 7E0 919 475 AA HW: 7N0 919 475
Bauteil: PARKHILFE 8K H06 0212
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: 28231921103426
Codierung: 308004
Betriebsnr.: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Datensatz: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001012
ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS_VW25.rod
VCID: 71EE5DFCA002FB0733-8024

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 15: Airbag (J234) Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-959-655.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 655 K HW: 6R0 959 655 K
Bauteil: VW10Airbag01M H09 0020
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: 003GX0108L3%
Codierung: 00314D
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
VCID: 4A9CEA10ED14E8DF52-801E

Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Fahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3575HRB405R0UJCIB1I5

Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Beifahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3585HRB405F0UJCI4H6Y

Crashsensor für Seitenairbag hinten Fahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3515RRB40650TGJKB0CT

Crashsensor für Seitenairbag hinten Beifahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3525RRB40610UT98K0GV

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 17: Schalttafeleinsatz (J285) Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 920 870 D HW: 6R0 920 870 D
Bauteil: KOMBI H04 0709
Seriennummer: 00000000000000
Codierung: 140A00
Betriebsnr.: WSC 01860 264 00000
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
VCID: 3664AEE089EC9C3F26-8062

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533) Labeldatei:. DRV\7E0-909-901.clb
Teilenummer SW: 7E0 909 901 HW: 7E0 937 090 C
Bauteil: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0752
Revision: B9082001
Codierung: 002201
Betriebsnr.: WSC 12345 123 61029
VCID: 68D830989BD83ACF64-803C

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 25: Wegfahrsperre (J334) Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Teilenummer SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Bauteil: IMMO H04 0709
Seriennummer:
Codierung: 000000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 09402 015 1048576
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
VCID: 6ADC4A908DD408DF72-803E

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 37: Navigation
nicht erreichbar

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Adresse 44: Lenkhilfe (J792) Labeldatei:| DRV\6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R1 909 144 R HW: 6R1 909 144 E
Bauteil: EPS_TRW_ALow 312 3111
Seriennummer: CE7T0496
Codierung: 0003
Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00050
ASAM Datensatz: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021
ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_011.rod
VCID: 4684DE20F90C0CBFB6-8012

1 Fehler gefunden:
1094656 - Geber für Lenkwinkel
B1168 54 [137] - keine Grundeinstellung
Warnleuchte EIN - bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 4
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 234
Kilometerstand: 107595 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:57:14


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Adresse 47: Soundsystem (R12) Labeldatei: 5K0-035-456.clb
Teilenummer SW: 5C6 035 456 C HW: 5C6 035 456 C
Bauteil: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: EAA098C0000022
ASAM Datensatz: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4 001001
ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4.rod
VCID: 285870985358FACFA4-807C

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 55: Leuchtweitenreg. (J431) Labeldatei:. DRV\6R0-907-357.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 357 HW: 6R0 907 357
Bauteil: LWR-ECU H02 0070
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: --------------
Codierung: 011A000001000000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
VCID: 77FA63E4CE66A537FD-8022

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 5F: Informationselek. I (J794) Labeldatei:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
Teilenummer SW: 5C0 035 680 F HW: 5C0 035 680 F
Bauteil: MU-S-N-ER H41 0478
Seriennummer: --------------
Codierung: 02620001AA00000011110003000808221F0110D400200000CE
Betriebsnr.: WSC 77777 777 77777
ASAM Datensatz: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW37.rod
VCID: 244064A82F701EAF88-8070

Datenträger:
Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 5NA 919 866 BK HW: -----------
Bauteil: ECE AS 2022 --- 1730
Seriennummer: --------------------

3 Fehlercodes gefunden:
1556 - Steuergerät defekt
B2000 87 [009] - Nachricht fehlt
bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 6
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 234
Kilometerstand: 107595 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:49:49

Spannung Klemme 30: 12.3 V
System_Software_Error-SW_Status_Consistency: 04 01 01
System_Software_Error-SW_Status_Device: o

15360256 - Komponentenschutz aktiv
U1101 00 [009] - -
[Neue Funktion! Erweiterte UDS Fehlercode Informationen werden nur von der aktuellen Hardware-Generationen unterstützt.]
bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 4
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 233
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:10:07

Spannung Klemme 30: 13.8 V

0003 - Antenne 2 für Radio
B111A 13 [009] - Unterbrechung
bestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 6
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
Verlernzähler: 233
Kilometerstand: 107593 km
Datum: 2022.07.08
Zeit: 00:10:08

Spannung Klemme 30: 13.7 V
Status Antenne 2 für Radio-Antennenstrom: 0 mA
Status Antenne 2 für Radio-Verbindung zwischen Radio und Antennenverstärker: Unterbrechung
Status Antenne 2 für Radio-Verbindung zwischen Antennenverstärker und Antenne: nicht verfügbar
Status Antenne 2 für Radio-Empfangspegel Antenne 2: 0 dBµV


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Re: Basic Setting of electromechanical power steering impossible

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Try doing basic settings for the esp unit first

Then rotate the steering wheel fully left and fully right
Then center
Look at your advanced measurement values in module 44
Search for angle in the list
The point where it says possible is very narrow

When it says possible, go to 03 abs
Login 40168 and do basic settings for the steering angle
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Paulpelz wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:29 am Mods I already did:
BCM upgrade
6R H4 to 6C H7 to 6C LED headlights
Auto lights (after the plans of ciclo, but selfmade)
Infotainment and 10CH Sound System
PDC front and rear
Auto folding mirrors
Heavy modifications to a 6C speedo to house the circuit board of a seat toledo for MFA+
Retrofits of several options my car never had, like cruise control or Climatronic
Quite impressive.
Could you please share some images to please our eyes :)
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Re: Basic Setting of electromechanical power steering impossible

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Thank you for the fast reply! I'll try it this evening.

Is there a "code number" or something in the advanced measurements list in module 44? Something that is universal in German and English? Because I am suspecting that I look at the wrong value because of a translation issue, since I have the German version of VCDS.
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ag69 wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:52 am
Could you please share some images to please our eyes :)
I will, when I'm back home. But the vast majority of it has already been done, mostly by iichel, ciclo or MaDwArLoCk :wink:
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Paulpelz wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:55 am Thank you for the fast reply! I'll try it this evening.

Is there a "code number" or something in the advanced measurements list in module 44? Something that is universal in German and English? Because I am suspecting that I look at the wrong value because of a translation issue, since I have the German version of VCDS.
have a look in the list of measurement values. I suspect it's something like 'winkel' for angle. It switches between possible and not possible which will probably translate from 'möglich' to 'nicht möglich'
or take the simple route and install english vcds as well
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Back again!
Sadly, the basic settings of the esp unit still don't want to take. It keeps saying it aborted the settings because auf not further specified "security reasons". I can't figure out the problem and it's getting quite frustrating...
May there be a hardware problem with either the esp unit or the steering column?
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Under what circumstances do you check the ESP unit? Engine on or off?
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Tried both, same result
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Well, let' think out loud. I can't do the basic settings of the ESP unit because of "security reasons". So we (or rather I) have to find out what that means.
I kind of suspect a fault in the steering column, since the ESP unit doesn't really have anything to do with the steeling angle. As I said earlier, even when my wheels are straight, the column thinks the angle (raw data, relatively far down in the adv. meas. list) is at about -160 Degrees. Not quite half a turn.
By the way, if I disconnect the column from the rack and remove the slip ring, so that I can turn the column freely, at some point the displayed angle jumps from a negative value to a positive one (or vice versa depending on the direction I am turning). If I do this a couple of times, the zero-point moves in the direction I am turning. About 20 degrees each time. But even this wont make the zero point move to the proper 12 o'clock position. No changes in the behavior of the basic settings, of course.
I somewhat expect this to be at least part of the problem.

I also noticed another very annoying problem: When I press the clutch and turn the wheels, a part of the connecting piece between the column and the rack hits the spring that pulls back the pedal. So maybe there is somethning else majorly wrong... :shock:
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did you follow my tip to check for the possible/not possible adaptation channel?
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Yes, I did. Still refused to take the settings for whatever reason :|
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Okay I've got it.
Just out of pure despair I swapped the steering column control unit (...R) for a newer one (...AJ) and a few moments later, the basic settings applied first try. :D

Now I have to fix all the other small bits and bobs that are still not perfect, like my self-designed control unit consisting of Slaviks CCE and an Octocoupler Relais or my magnificent mirror with High Beam Assist that decided to just fall off during the heat of the last weeks. :x

By the way, if someone could use a pair of 3D-printed holders, that allow tweeters of a T-Roc with sound system to perfectly fit into a Polo A-pillar without dremeling or (much) hotglueing, write me. I could send you the model or a printed part.
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Good job, happy to see the AJ unit did work!
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Well, spoke too soon.
The basic settings get applied, but after a few meters the abs unit fails and stores a fault "implausible signal from steering angle sender". Interestingly the steering column and the abs unit seem to read different values for the steering angle.
Incredibly scary: The ABS unit seems to overwrite the steering column, so that I coldn't steer right at all because the power steering worked against it. This I kind of fixed by rotating the whole stering column 360 degrees without the rack connected.

Iichel (and all the other knoledgeable people here) please work your magic, I am out of ideas... again.
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