+ APR Stage 2 +

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:51 am

Ok i want my polo to go faster! I know with stage two u need a good intake ( Which i have) and a good exhaust (which i dont have ) what do ppl think bout me gettin stage 2 on my car? good idea or not? Can my polo take 225Bhp??

BeezerDiesel · Post by **BeezerDiesel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:21 am

The car can take it, just have a look over on seatcupra.net/forums and see what some of the Ibizas are putting out. Same engine, chassis etc.
The only problem you have is where do you stop? Once you go past stage one you will need serious suspension mods, uprated brakes, engine mounts etc if you want it all to work in harmony and get the best out of it all. Plus I would say you'd also need a decent intercooler and turbo hoses.
It's that never ending spiral, not so much how much money are you going to put into the car but how much can you afford to lose as you won't get a lot of money back on the mods when it comes to re-sale time, and once you start modifying one area of the car it only shows up weaknesses in another part. You then have to spend more money there to get the balance back. Been there and done that a few times.

Have a think about where you want to stop, and whether the money is better spent on a more powerful car in the first place? Difficult one, or at least it would be for me when you can get an A3 3.2 quattro for about Â£15k second hand!

Not trying to put you off here by the way! Just trying a little voice of reason. I'm getting old you know!

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:53 am

They say all u need is a good intake and exhaust for stage two. I wouldna be goin any futher than 225bhp! Just not sure if my car could take it! Dont wanna get it then fuk ma engine!!!

BeezerDiesel · Post by **BeezerDiesel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:05 pm

The engine won't have any problems with 225bhp if you don't cane it all the time. It's the brakes and chassis that will struggle.

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:08 pm

Brakes are good on it, gonna be orderin new pads in the future tho! A worry bout the chassis that a worry bout, wasnt really designed fot that power, plus my turbo!??

Jeff GTi · Post by **Jeff GTi** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:33 pm

KennyPOLO_Gti wrote:They say all u need is a good intake and exhaust for stage two. I wouldna be goin any futher than 225bhp! Just not sure if my car could take it! Dont wanna get it then fuk ma engine!!!

wrong im affraid kenny, to take advantage of stage 2 you will find the front mount intercooler, as wel as a good air intake and upgraded filter, you also are going to need a good exhaust with a high flow cat

i have all the above minus the intercooler, and i have 220 bhp now and 206 at the wheels with 322 nm torque

with stage 2 providing i get the front mount, awesome gti and apr say 245 hp is well within reach

the thing is my car has a winter pack and so has front washer jets, these leave nil room behind the bumper for a front mount because of the motors, mechenisms and water hoses

unlike your polo kenny, i also have just about everything to upgrade the chassis too, roll bars front and rear upgraded, strut braces front and rear, coilovers, poly bushes, big brake conversion happening tomorrow, im thinking mk4 golf r32/ 3.2 v6 audi tt 334 mm setup or tarox 6 pots providing they will clear my wheels

unlike stage 1 which is just a quick fix for power, there is so much more to it when going further, which i have/am sorting over the months as i can afford to, the map will be my final thing, not first, im also looking at the minute in to getting the green injectors, turbo, hoses, 3"maf sensor, baffled sump, pulleys, inlet manifold, throttle body and turbo etc and going straight to stage 3+,

for the well being of you and your car i suggest following the same path and upgrading in sections

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:15 pm

So what ya goin to do bout gettin a FMIC if ya cant fit it?

A really wish a could afford to get all these mods, would be spendin in the region of 2K

Think i'll just stick to my stage one for now. Cheers anyways lol

BeezerDiesel · Post by **BeezerDiesel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:57 pm

Have you chaps considered doing the vented wheel arch mod for the SMIC yet? I would guess the side mount cooler could work a lot better with better air flow.
The venting (as used in the Ibiza) would be a good start and is very popular with Fabia vRS owners, this could be partnered up with some sort of added cooling to the SMIC such as maybe better ducting or even a spray to really keep it cool. Just taking out the fog lamp would be a start! I guess that's why the Polo Cup has those big side vents - to cool the brakes and intercooler on the race spec cars (they're probably pretty blocked off in road trim).

Post by **Josh_PoloGTi** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:18 pm

Jeff has hit the nail on the head...

A remap is all well and good, but when you start chasing higher numbers, you really need to start looking at the rest of the car.

My Fabia had 190bhp / 300lbft and I thought that was too much for the standard chassis (same platform as the GTi).

I did the following which made it a much more balanced and safe car:

312mm Front Brake Conversion
Coilovers
Front & Rear Strut Braces
(I couldn't fit the Jabba rear ARB due to it being incompatible with the H&R suspension)

I suggest the above are minimum upgrades for c.200bhp + in this platform.

Bear in mind that you'll need a downpipe/cat/exhaust, uprated DV, TIP and most likely a FMIC on top of your Stage/Phase 2 remap to get over 220bhp reliably.

Starts getting fairly expensive!

Jeff GTi · Post by **Jeff GTi** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:45 pm

exactly josh, you mentioned the downpipe and uprated dv there too, i have them also, and to be honest im made up with the 220 hp it produes all day long with no issues and never missing a beat.

kenny, i have been in contact with forge and apr tuned about custom or better shaped fmic to fit in my application, failing this ill have to look in to another way of effectively keeping the charge temperatures down, its certainly not something i intend rushing in to though

brakes first, uprated disks pads and braided hoses at least, if not a big brake conversion, the brakes on the car as standard are not good enough now it can reach speeds faster, it needs to stop quicker too

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:04 pm

Just been imformed that there isnt a stage 2 map for the polo anyway lol

Jeff GTi · Post by **Jeff GTi** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:05 pm

oh right i was not aware of one either, and again had it confirmed by awesome gti today these is no further software yet

i have also ordered my brakes today, for ease of not changing the carriers for potentially old parts from other cars and calipers due to cost etc, so for easeof fit and simplicity i have ordered

288 mm tarox sport japan disks
tarox strada pads
goodridge braided brake hoses

awesome gti are supplying the parts at a great price and im getting a friend who owes me a favour to do the fitting, so should be a pretty effective, low cost upgrade

roll on the end of the week when they land, it should stop like a gti then too haha,

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:44 am

What made ya choose Tar-ox? Did the guys at awesome recommend them? look forward ta hear the results!?

Jeff GTi · Post by **Jeff GTi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:01 am

yeah through awesomes recommendations, and friends recommendations too, they are after all one of the best in the braking business too

KennyPOLO_Gti · Post by **KennyPOLO_Gti** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:14 am

Am wanting to spend money on my car (only bout Â£100 - Â£200) but with xmas pressies to buy n nite out dunno if a should, or if a did what to get!? Not bought anythin for it in a while now!