1.4 16v 75bhp or 100 bhp

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1.4 16v 75bhp or 100 bhp

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hiya guys, first post here so be nice :)

I picked up my polo 1.4 16v yesterday on a 2000/X plate and im really happy with it, i think its the 75 bhp model as it has 14" alloys, and grey interior, is this right?

even tho its only 75 bhp its enough for me,

whats the engine differences between the 75bhp and the 100 bhp models?

is the 75 a de-tuned version of the 100? is there anyway of getting the 75 to the 100 model?

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hey there. i'm new here too. i posted an almost identical post to yours a few days ago. if you scroll down you'll see it. subject 75hp to 100hp.

check the back of your car. if you have a 1,4 badge then you have the 75hp model. if there is a 16v badge then you have the 100hp model. also, if you have the 75hp model then you'll have the redline before the 6000rpm mark.

from what i gather the 75hp is indeed a de-tuned version in that at least the cams and ecu are different. i haven't been getting any specific answers as to where the differences are so i'm planning on going to vw to ask them exactly where the differnces are. it's obvious that it can me significantly increased because the same engine (as i state in the post) is used in the fabia and the ibiza with almost 40hp more.
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if its just a case of remapping the ECU, I might get that done in the future.

if anyone knows specific differences that would be great.

Im well impressed with the car tho, very nice to drive only thing is the bodyroll when corning fastish :(
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polo cornering!

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getr some harder / stiffer suspention and thatwill sort it out,
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i will do probably in the summer.

is it a difficult job getting the 75bhp engine close to the 100bhp engine?

i take it there is more to it than just remapping the ECU?

do u have any suggestions for simple mods that can increase performance slightly?

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power!

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you could get an air filter to replase the standard one, combined with a performance exaust it would get a power increase.
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daffy wrote:hey there. i'm new here too. i posted an almost identical post to yours a few days ago. if you scroll down you'll see it. subject 75hp to 100hp.

check the back of your car. if you have a 1,4 badge then you have the 75hp model. if there is a 16v badge then you have the 100hp model. also, if you have the 75hp model then you'll have the redline before the 6000rpm mark.

from what i gather the 75hp is indeed a de-tuned version in that at least the cams and ecu are different. i haven't been getting any specific answers as to where the differences are so i'm planning on going to vw to ask them exactly where the differnces are. it's obvious that it can me significantly increased because the same engine (as i state in the post) is used in the fabia and the ibiza with almost 40hp more.
You ever driven the afore mentioned fabia? I had one in greece last year and it wouldn't go. It was like driving with three fat people on board. It seems that the figures quoted need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I have driven Fiats with about 50hp and they go like stink... It all depends on the way the power band is distributed.

You will find that the 100Hp 16V unit has higher lift, slightly higher red line, but the same compression ratio. I found that if you drive the 100Hp with the A/C on, you are very pushed to notice the difference with the 75hp model. I think given rising fuel prices, insurance premiums etc, that the 75hp model is an excellent compramize, and that is why it exists, to meet that market. I don't find that less than 75hp is that pleasurable to drive. You should also find that the 75Hp suffers far less wear in the long term too, which is what people who buy VW expect.

Don't waste your time with performance exhausts, you wouldn't believe how much work has gone in to developing the standard exhaust, if you reduce the back pressure, you will significantly affect the torque and thus the drivability of the car. In terms of improving the 75Hp model, I would concentrate my efforts at the breathing end of the engine, if you cool the charge you will significantly improve the output, at all speeds. - altering the flow will not always give you an improvement, the way the induction is designed is very complex, again for reduced pumping losses, torque and emissions.

You can always chip the 75hp model as well, giving a claimed 8bhp improvement, but the curves at certain rpm are actually worse, than the standard engine, it has been seen that using 97 Octane fuel is actually better, but the 10% markup isn't met with +10% performance.

There is however, a way to get 0 - 60 in about 6 seconds...
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Post by ^Adam^ »

thanks for that, much appreciated.

So if it was you that had the 75bhp car, and wanted to do a few choice mods to it, what would you do?

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You ever driven the afore mentioned fabia? I had one in greece last year and it wouldn't go. It was like driving with three fat people on board. It seems that the figures quoted need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I have driven Fiats with about 50hp and they go like stink... It all depends on the way the power band is distributed.
Never driven it. Driven the ibiza though and it sure feels like the quoted figure. Getting 116 out of a naturally aspirated 1,4 is to me a little extreme. The 1,6 on the Rallyes only did 120 in stock form. So of course if you do end up doing it there will be loads of wear.
You will find that the 100Hp 16V unit has higher lift, slightly higher red line, but the same compression ratio.


So I guess I'm right in assuming the main differences are cams and ecu.

I found that if you drive the 100Hp with the A/C on, you are very pushed to notice the difference with the 75hp model.


Try driving the 75 with the a/c on :-)
I think given rising fuel prices, insurance premiums etc, that the 75hp model is an excellent compramize, and that is why it exists, to meet that market. I don't find that less than 75hp is that pleasurable to drive. You should also find that the 75Hp suffers far less wear in the long term too, which is what people who buy VW expect.
When someone chooses to tune a car (or buy a sportier one from the get go) they do it because they don't just see cars as a way from getting from a to b. They don't just see cars as "100euros for fuel each month....100 for insurance...100 for car deodorants...". They see it as something that they love. So I don't think that insurance and fuel prices would deter someone that would be seriously thinking of tuning a car. If it did, then they never had the right motive for tuning in the first place.
Don't waste your time with performance exhausts, you wouldn't believe how much work has gone in to developing the standard exhaust, if you reduce the back pressure, you will significantly affect the torque and thus the drivability of the car. In terms of improving the 75Hp model, I would concentrate my efforts at the breathing end of the engine, if you cool the charge you will significantly improve the output, at all speeds. - altering the flow will not always give you an improvement, the way the induction is designed is very complex, again for reduced pumping losses, torque and emissions.

With you all the way!
You can always chip the 75hp model as well, giving a claimed 8bhp improvement, but the curves at certain rpm are actually worse, than the standard engine, it has been seen that using 97 Octane fuel is actually better, but the 10% markup isn't met with +10% performance.
I've found a swiss company that has reps here in greece that do a re-programme of the ecu but there's one difference. they don't just re-programme but they actually install 8-9 new programmes and then "teach" the ecu to choose the best one according to rpm's, load, speed, throttle position etc. So basically they claim you get the increase in power with a practically non-existant change in fuel economy and reliability. If this holds water then together with different cams i'm sure i could get 100hp from the tub 'o' lard i've got parked downstairs.

There is however, a way to get 0 - 60 in about 6 seconds...
Strap-it to a Subaru Impreza?
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daffy wrote:
Strap-it to a Subaru Impreza?
Drive it off a cliff...

In fact, what is even more impressive is the stopping distance. Its about 40cm! Beating any SLR or other expensive crap.

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JWC wrote: In fact, what is even more impressive is the stopping distance. Its about 40cm! Beating any SLR or other expensive crap.

:shock:

Lol.....and here comes the lie you always here on forums when it comes to tuning cars......


"i had a friend that tried that once. he actually beat a McLaren F1 of the mark"
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