Buying a 6R - Advice on engine & model...

lxm · Post by **lxm** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:56 pm

Me again guys!

Back looking at the 1.2 (70PS) 3rd MODA in red. Been to the garage today and got the cars history, 1 female owner who was traveling daily to Aberdeen for business (car was originally purchased in peterhead) it was a part exchange from a BMW garage, she traded it in for something a little bigger for her commute, my garage got it from the BMW dealer.

Its 3 years old and has 49k on the clock, the car has been serviced and stamped at every 10k from an offical VW garage, its had 5 services in 3 years, the garage has said they will put an MOT on it and give it another service, but ensure me it was serviced at xmas and everything was in order, since then its sat on the forecourt.

What do you guys think ? Its a fair few miles for 2010 motor, but the history seems OK ?

hornmeister · Post by **hornmeister** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:48 pm

Sounds genuine. If it's from a local dealer that's been around a few years that gives you some peace of mind.

If it ticks all the boxes for you and it's at a price you want to pay then you can't really go wrong with a Polo. It does sound to me though, like it's not exactly what you want. I guarantee you that what you want will be available a couple of weeks after you've bought this, If you're desperate for a car now then go for it, if not hold out for what you really wish for. I regret now not paying a bit more for a few extras on my GTI.

RUM4MO · Post by **RUM4MO** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:55 am

I have not read all the postings on this thread, but, as we are now at 01/02/14, could you now not wait until the rush for the new regs is on us, as the supply of used cars will be better and the mad rush to new another used car at the start of spring will not have kicked off fully.

One thing to consider is, if you are coming from an "old school VX" that basically tends to run for ever (then falls apart), jumping into a modern car that has been built with "keeping the garages going" in mind, you might get a bit shocked at how much you end up paying to keep the car running for 2 or 3 years! I bought my wife a brand new 9N Polo 1.4 SE back in October 2002, her previous car was a 1998 Ford Fiesta 1.6Si 16V with the Zetec engine in it - that car only ever needed a new battery every 4 years and new TCA bushes every other MOT and indicator switch every few years - the Polo asked for a lot stuff by the time it was 4 or 5 years old, accompanied by big money demands, since then the spend has backed off a bit. The reason why I am saying this is to prepare you for entering the realm of VAG products, not all is what it seems, I'd still reckon that this platform has a lot of Skoda genes, and that is not clever, when you add to that some fancy modern engine bits, you could end up with taking on a car that is ripe for ripping your wallet to bits, okay the chassis problems of the 9N/9N3 will have gone, but what have they been replaced with?

Even after saying all this, I will be staying with VAG for my wife's next car as VAG do seem to be logical to support if you do your own repairs, I'm just opening your eyes to what VAG ownership could be, I had a VW B5 Passat 4Motion for over 13 years, it was great, but not because it was a VW, it was probably because it was an old Audi under the skin, in a similar vein, I've always maintained that the Polo is not so good as it is a Skoda under the skin, think, "can you polish a turd?".

One last thing, I replaced my good old 2000 Passat with a used Audi S4, not because I think I'm too good to run a newer VW Passat, my money is far too good to waste on an expanded Golf as that is what the new Passat has been made from - VW bought their way into that market sector by using previous Audi platform, then they raped it by supplying a rather inferior car next time round. Audi is also dropping its standards, but so far they are providing a better balance of quality/cash than VW currently are.

Wilxay · Post by **Wilxay** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:05 pm

RUM4MO wrote:I have not read all the postings on this thread, but, as we are now at 01/02/14, could you now not wait until the rush for the new regs is on us, as the supply of used cars will be better and the mad rush to new another used car at the start of spring will not have kicked off fully.

One thing to consider is, if you are coming from an "old school VX" that basically tends to run for ever (then falls apart), jumping into a modern car that has been built with "keeping the garages going" in mind, you might get a bit shocked at how much you end up paying to keep the car running for 2 or 3 years! I bought my wife a brand new 9N Polo 1.4 SE back in October 2002, her previous car was a 1998 Ford Fiesta 1.6Si 16V with the Zetec engine in it - that car only ever needed a new battery every 4 years and new TCA bushes every other MOT and indicator switch every few years - the Polo asked for a lot stuff by the time it was 4 or 5 years old, accompanied by big money demands, since then the spend has backed off a bit. The reason why I am saying this is to prepare you for entering the realm of VAG products, not all is what it seems, I'd still reckon that this platform has a lot of Skoda genes, and that is not clever, when you add to that some fancy modern engine bits, you could end up with taking on a car that is ripe for ripping your wallet to bits, okay the chassis problems of the 9N/9N3 will have gone, but what have they been replaced with?

Even after saying all this, I will be staying with VAG for my wife's next car as VAG do seem to be logical to support if you do your own repairs, I'm just opening your eyes to what VAG ownership could be, I had a VW B5 Passat 4Motion for over 13 years, it was great, but not because it was a VW, it was probably because it was an old Audi under the skin, in a similar vein, I've always maintained that the Polo is not so good as it is a Skoda under the skin, think, "can you polish a turd?".

One last thing, I replaced my good old 2000 Passat with a used Audi S4, not because I think I'm too good to run a newer VW Passat, my money is far too good to waste on an expanded Golf as that is what the new Passat has been made from - VW bought their way into that market sector by using previous Audi platform, then they raped it by supplying a rather inferior car next time round. Audi is also dropping its standards, but so far they are providing a better balance of quality/cash than VW currently are.

What so pessimistic? Some people just have a run of bad luck with a car. Doesn't mean every car is built to fall apart?

K.I.T.T. · Post by **K.I.T.T.** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:00 pm

Wilxay wrote:
What so pessimistic? Some people just have a run of bad luck with a car. Doesn't mean every car is built to fall apart?

It's not bad luck - the previous generation Polo was riddled with niggles. Remediable niggles, but niggles nonetheless. Most of these were solved with the 9n3 facelift.

Doesn't necessarily mean the 6r will have issues. The only issue I'm aware of is with the 1.4 TSI's oil consumption.

Ash

Wilxay · Post by **Wilxay** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:13 pm

I think it's wrong to assume that the manufacturer has implemented these niggles on purpose though?

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greypolo9n3 · Post by **greypolo9n3** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:33 pm

I agree with RUM4MO

It is possible they do some things on purpose...we may not think that becuase theyre big companies

but if they make everything perfect...how are they going to make money??...they cant pull it off by just selling cars

Companies like Saab, Volvo etc...have gone bust or are not in the higher leagues as VW BMW MERC etc
All becuase they make cars which hardly go wrong and are not making the money from repairs!...think about it

lxm · Post by **lxm** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:42 pm

Hi guys, Ive taken everyone's advice on board, thank you for all the input. I realize that buying a newer 'tech' car makes it more complicated at times for serving etc, but I think its time to move forward and enjoy new features and technology that these cars offer. I cant never buy a newer tech car or specifically a VAG because they might have designed them to go wrong once and a while...

My parents have both had VW's (new) since I car remember (Bora's, passatt's & currently Passatt CC's) and have not been plagued with problems or repair bills. Ive ran my 1997 1.4 corsa breeze into the ground over the winter and it looks like another £500 + to get it through its MOT.

I test drove a 1.2TDI polo today and to be honest for the extra money I wouldn't go for it, for the type of travel im doing a petrol is fine. I also test drove two 2011 plate corsas today and they are horrendous! not a touch on a volkswagen, horrible dashboards, and horrid bulbus bonnets that stick out onto the road, both were also wrecked, plastics, paintwork etc etc and gear changing and the clutch on one felt knackered, it put me off going down the corsa route immediately, and also shocked that arnoldclark don't have there cars in showroom condition!

I went back and inquired about the 1.2 70PS moda today at my local garage, spoke to the owner and he got all the paperwork out, its ex mobility, 1 lady owner who traveled motorway miles daily, again as said previously its had a service on the dot every 10k miles, 5 services in 3 years and only just had 4 new tyres on it at £600, and new breaks... (thats an expensive tyre they put on!)

The car is in mint condition, interior, exterior, a few stone chips on the bonnet but he has pledged to fix these. I honestly don't think I could have spotted a nicer car and deal, MOT and warranty put on the car. Ive put down a deposit today and pick it up on the 12th!

Wilxay · Post by **Wilxay** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:54 pm

At the end of the day it's how are car makes you feel. I feel quality everytime I close the door on my 6r. I can't say the same thing for other manufacturers like ford, vauxhall, Peugeot. VW and Audi haven't built up a name of reliability for no reason

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K.I.T.T. · Post by **K.I.T.T.** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:03 pm

Wilxay wrote:I think it's wrong to assume that the manufacturer has implemented these niggles on purpose though?

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You're wrong in assuming that we're assuming the niggles have been implemented on purpose.

With new products "inherent" faults aren't sometimes discovered until the said product has been in real world use for a while. That's even with the best QA department.

I'll stop derailing this thread now.

Ash

lxm · Post by **lxm** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:04 pm

I feel like I am getting a good deal on the polo, and when driving it I feel good, I dont think I could ask for more?

Like I said, the 2011 plate Vaux corsa didnt even get close to the Volks polo, as you said the doors speak quality, the smooth gear changing, the smooth silent drive, you feel you are driving quality! The corsa felt like a cheap toy, the plastics, the dash and nothing seemed to glide or be smooth... Dont get me wrong I love my 97' corsa B.... just not for me if im paying that sum of cash for something newer.

K.I.T.T. · Post by **K.I.T.T.** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:18 pm

The 6r is well built. In my opinion build quality went down when they introduced the 9n. The 6n2 was much better built. Glad to see they've got their act together.

Having said that, had a front end to front end collision with a '00 Astra in a 9n - the 9n got a scratched bumper and cracked slam panel. The Astra was a write off. So, they're not that badly built.

Ash

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:46 pm

RUM4MO wrote:I've always maintained that the Polo is not so good as it is a Skoda under the skin, think, "can you polish a turd?".

Given that Skoda are consistently winning awards for quality... I'd hardly say that sharing parts with a Skoda is a bad thing!

RUM4MO · Post by **RUM4MO** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:27 pm

vc-10 wrote:
RUM4MO wrote:I've always maintained that the Polo is not so good as it is a Skoda under the skin, think, "can you polish a turd?".
Given that Skoda are consistently winning awards for quality... I'd hardly say that sharing parts with a Skoda is a bad thing!

I think in the main, Skoda gives good results when the model is a VW designed platform, ie Octavia and Superb. The press, who hand out these awards never buy and run these cars with their own money, they just appraise them against the opposition - and in some sectors that means comparing them with VW, they end up being better because they cost less.

One thing to remember when it comes to car snobbery, in proper developed areas of mainland Europe, the Golf, Focus and Astra are considered equals, it is just in UK we view them as being in different leagues.

To the OP, supporting your local garage and missing out the likes of Uncle Arnold was a very good move, these clowns just love to try to get a deposit off you for a car that is located else where, at a place where you have no right to know.

RUM4MO · Post by **RUM4MO** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:41 pm

greypolo9n3 wrote:I agree with RUM4MO

It is possible they do some things on purpose...we may not think that becuase theyre big companies

but if they make everything perfect...how are they going to make money??...they cant pull it off by just selling cars

Companies like Saab, Volvo etc...have gone bust or are not in the higher leagues as VW BMW MERC etc
All becuase they make cars which hardly go wrong and are not making the money from repairs!...think about it

Yes, poor old SAAB's problem was continually modifying GM supplied parts, instead of just using them, they were warned time and again, but just could not fit standard GM supplied parts to their car, being innovative and individual in the modern car market does come at a price, and that price was too high for GM so they binned SAAB but retained absolute control of any SAAB inspired improvements so that no one else could make use of them.

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