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Penarth Blues
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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Ricmondo wrote:That makes a lot of sense, it's good to stand out in a crowd and it makes it easier for the bloke you accidentally cut up yesterday to recognize your car in order to key it, the police will love you too as they will be able to pick you out easily and reward you with a nice ticket.

You can squeeze a fair bit of extra power out of a naturally aspirated engine with a proper remap. It will be expensive and there will be compromises typically engine life, economy, drivability, hot starting, altitude or temperature sensitivity etc, your insurance company will probably screw you too unless you have many many years ncb or are about to draw your pension.

The advice you have been given about trading up is sound.
To add to my earlier advice, which Ricmondo's just reiterated, I did the sorts of things you are looking to do now to my first car i.e. make it perfect and beautiful. In my case I started with a basket case of a car (an old BMW 2002 tii which had been badly patched up for sale but I hadn't realised it) when I bought it - much as you didn't realise the car wasn't what you were expecting in terms of power. Being young and pig-headed I spent over £3000 on a car I brought for £700 and ended up scrapping it.

It was a great lesson to learn as no-one died, and I've since realised that the car companies have spent loads of money refining and making my car work well - so it's unlikely that I'll find that extra bit they didn't realise was there, unless it is about modding it to increase power at the expense of probably safety and reliability. This is even more true of older cars - they tend not to be up to factory spec in many areas that are quite important - like brakes. So, for older cars, the best VfM is always to buy the car you want in the first place, look after it and make some cosmetic mods if you want to make it look unique, but don't waste your money on trying to make it quicker unless you are seriously into the car modification scene and know a really good mechanic who'll help you out at non-garage prices...
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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Ricmondo wrote:That makes a lot of sense, it's good to stand out in a crowd and it makes it easier for the bloke you accidentally cut up yesterday to recognize your car in order to key it, the police will love you too as they will be able to pick you out easily and reward you with a nice ticket.

You can squeeze a fair bit of extra power out of a naturally aspirated engine with a proper remap. It will be expensive and there will be compromises typically engine life, economy, drivability, hot starting, altitude or temperature sensitivity etc, your insurance company will probably screw you too unless you have many many years ncb or are about to draw your pension.

The advice you have been given about trading up is sound.
I live in Iceland so there arent people with knifes on them like in the UK. And with the remap thing how expensive do you think its going to be ?.
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haflidi3 wrote:
Ricmondo wrote:That makes a lot of sense, it's good to stand out in a crowd and it makes it easier for the bloke you accidentally cut up yesterday to recognize your car in order to key it, the police will love you too as they will be able to pick you out easily and reward you with a nice ticket.

You can squeeze a fair bit of extra power out of a naturally aspirated engine with a proper remap. It will be expensive and there will be compromises typically engine life, economy, drivability, hot starting, altitude or temperature sensitivity etc, your insurance company will probably screw you too unless you have many many years ncb or are about to draw your pension.

The advice you have been given about trading up is sound.
I live in Iceland so there arent people with knifes on them like in the UK. And with the remap thing how expensive do you think its going to be ?.
If you are intent on making mechanical mods to your car then, while a remap might gain a few horsepower, you're likely to get more joy from improving the inlet and outlet from the engine in terms of air and exhausts before doing that. This could involve things through from changing the lift and profile of your camshaft; intake manifolds and filters; exhaust manifolds and exhausts. If you do all this, and if the engine is suitable for it, then you will get a fair bit more HP from it - but I still believe you're starting from the wrong point and would be better off spending your time and money on a different starting car.
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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Penarth Blues wrote:
haflidi3 wrote:
Ricmondo wrote:That makes a lot of sense, it's good to stand out in a crowd and it makes it easier for the bloke you accidentally cut up yesterday to recognize your car in order to key it, the police will love you too as they will be able to pick you out easily and reward you with a nice ticket.

You can squeeze a fair bit of extra power out of a naturally aspirated engine with a proper remap. It will be expensive and there will be compromises typically engine life, economy, drivability, hot starting, altitude or temperature sensitivity etc, your insurance company will probably screw you too unless you have many many years ncb or are about to draw your pension.

The advice you have been given about trading up is sound.
I live in Iceland so there arent people with knifes on them like in the UK. And with the remap thing how expensive do you think its going to be ?.
If you are intent on making mechanical mods to your car then, while a remap might gain a few horsepower, you're likely to get more joy from improving the inlet and outlet from the engine in terms of air and exhausts before doing that. This could involve things through from changing the lift and profile of your camshaft; intake manifolds and filters; exhaust manifolds and exhausts. If you do all this, and if the engine is suitable for it, then you will get a fair bit more HP from it - but I still believe you're starting from the wrong point and would be better off spending your time and money on a different starting car.
Oh yes i guess you are right. Im in school so i dont really have alot of money all the time, although im always saving some. I bought this car because it was the highest tier available and with the biggest engine. Its mostly a car to get me from home to school and back but i drive it everyday and i take a good care of it. It wasnt really practical buying a GTI since it did cost alot more then i had but i guess im just going to make it look better and different then the other once not so much boosting up the engine . And thank you for the advice it means alot to me that someones trying to help out. ;)
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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The absence of knives in Iceland must make if quite difficult at meal times but you key with a key not a knife.

Costwise, I don't know the Iceland market but a similar job with a top rate tuner in UK would need to include replacement of any worn parts, blueprinting ie the matching of manifolds, correction of any imbalance and machining of ports, enlargement of valves where possible and updating of injectors and associated bits. Only then would remapping produce a worthwhile gain. The cost of that would, in Euros be well into four figures and would not start with a one or two, much much more than the cost of upgrading to a GTi or similar of compatible age.

Take heed of Penarth Blues advice, I too have been a serial car modifier and engine changer, fun and very satisfying but economically disasterous, a 302ci V8 Morris Minor may be fun but is a good way to loose a lot of money very quickly when you come to sell.
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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Ricmondo wrote:The absence of knives in Iceland must make if quite difficult at meal times but you key with a key not a knife.

Costwise, I don't know the Iceland market but a similar job with a top rate tuner in UK would need to include replacement of any worn parts, blueprinting ie the matching of manifolds, correction of any imbalance and machining of ports, enlargement of valves where possible and updating of injectors and associated bits. Only then would remapping produce a worthwhile gain. The cost of that would, in Euros be well into four figures and would not start with a one or two, much much more than the cost of upgrading to a GTi or similar of compatible age.

Take heed of Penarth Blues advice, I too have been a serial car modifier and engine changer, fun and very satisfying but economically disasterous, a 302ci V8 Morris Minor may be fun but is a good way to loose a lot of money very quickly when you come to sell.
Oh yes i see :) . I think im just going to make my car look different rather then upping the hp. Thanks for the advice
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I hope it goes well and you enjoy it, I have finally forgiven Iceland for a Bjork, although it has taken a long time. Best wishes.
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Re: Mapping / Chip

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Ricmondo wrote:I hope it goes well and you enjoy it, I have finally forgiven Iceland for a Bjork, although it has taken a long time. Best wishes.
haha for Björk ? . What did she do ?. I mean shes like the worst singer ever and a very strange woman :P.
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