6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Yes, but it is not the same to cross the wire through one hole than the other ...
Hmm... BCM or glovebox? it's easier via glovebox side (like gannu -RHD-).
However, the best hole and ORIGINAL it is like firegrafik did it, by the firewall bulkhead where is the full harness that goes to engine vain. You can be sure of that.
Hmm... BCM or glovebox? it's easier via glovebox side (like gannu -RHD-).
However, the best hole and ORIGINAL it is like firegrafik did it, by the firewall bulkhead where is the full harness that goes to engine vain. You can be sure of that.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Hello!
Tomorrow is "D" day of coding in VCDS my Trip Computer and Cruise Control! I hope everything will work!
In the meantime, my friend bought Polo 6C 1.2TSI "FRESH" equipment pack, he liked my car and decided to buy the same but he beat me and bought newer.
We talked about my retrofit and Trip Computer, and he told me he also don't have Trip Computer and Cruise control. To me it was strange to not have Trip Computer in this equipment pack but 0k.
Another friend have 6C 1.2TSI "LOUNGE" equipment pack and he has "some" Trip Computer, without buttons on right stalk, just over radio Composition colour?
Is possible to "unlock" somehow this option in 6C "FRESH"? Here are pic's
In menu he have these option's
but submenu is blocked
radio model and software is
I know it is wrong topic for that question but could not find any topic with this kind of "Trip Computer"
Tomorrow is "D" day of coding in VCDS my Trip Computer and Cruise Control! I hope everything will work!
In the meantime, my friend bought Polo 6C 1.2TSI "FRESH" equipment pack, he liked my car and decided to buy the same but he beat me and bought newer.
We talked about my retrofit and Trip Computer, and he told me he also don't have Trip Computer and Cruise control. To me it was strange to not have Trip Computer in this equipment pack but 0k.
Another friend have 6C 1.2TSI "LOUNGE" equipment pack and he has "some" Trip Computer, without buttons on right stalk, just over radio Composition colour?
Is possible to "unlock" somehow this option in 6C "FRESH"? Here are pic's
In menu he have these option's
but submenu is blocked
radio model and software is
I know it is wrong topic for that question but could not find any topic with this kind of "Trip Computer"
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
To encode the ECU, engine must be OFF.S0K0L wrote:Hello!
Tomorrow is "D" day of coding in VCDS my Trip Computer and Cruise Control! I hope everything will work!
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Hi!
At last I'm finished with installation of my CCS and Trip computer! At same time it was funny, serious and painful experience with happy end!
I have to thank everyone on forum, especially to mr. ciclo!
Now I must find next project!
At last I'm finished with installation of my CCS and Trip computer! At same time it was funny, serious and painful experience with happy end!
I have to thank everyone on forum, especially to mr. ciclo!
Now I must find next project!
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Congrats mate!
Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Hello sirs,
Excellent forum. I found this via Google while looking for some information about my CC retrofit issue. The original author of this thread had the similar issue like I have now.
My car is Transporter T5 which seems to share a lot of electronics with Polo. BCM's are the same and CC retrofit wiring looks the same. I personally bought VAG original CC retrofit kit which has the instructions, cable and stalk. I did everything according to the instructions, enabled CC with VCDS on BCM and ECU and guess what? It doesn't work.
I get the following errors from ECU. Sorry for giving only pictures, I was lazy because my diagnostic machine does not have Internet.
I get that error immediately, I don't need to touch the stalk at all.
My engine is 2.0TDI (CAAB). I wonder if anyone could check what is the used ECU pin for CC? Is it 64 like stated in the beginning of this thread?
Another thing I don't get. If I go to Central Electronics with VCDS, then Advanced Measuring Values and look for cruise values, Main Switch shows Not Installed all the time? Pic here:
All other signals show change when I move CC main switch from OFF to ON and push SET buttons up and down.
Is this like it should be or not? I did check my wiring once (except the ECU wire) and everything looks ok.
Excellent forum. I found this via Google while looking for some information about my CC retrofit issue. The original author of this thread had the similar issue like I have now.
My car is Transporter T5 which seems to share a lot of electronics with Polo. BCM's are the same and CC retrofit wiring looks the same. I personally bought VAG original CC retrofit kit which has the instructions, cable and stalk. I did everything according to the instructions, enabled CC with VCDS on BCM and ECU and guess what? It doesn't work.
I get the following errors from ECU. Sorry for giving only pictures, I was lazy because my diagnostic machine does not have Internet.
I get that error immediately, I don't need to touch the stalk at all.
My engine is 2.0TDI (CAAB). I wonder if anyone could check what is the used ECU pin for CC? Is it 64 like stated in the beginning of this thread?
Another thing I don't get. If I go to Central Electronics with VCDS, then Advanced Measuring Values and look for cruise values, Main Switch shows Not Installed all the time? Pic here:
All other signals show change when I move CC main switch from OFF to ON and push SET buttons up and down.
Is this like it should be or not? I did check my wiring once (except the ECU wire) and everything looks ok.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Your photos don't work but we're happy to help.
Can you maybe show the instructions too, so we can see what you did. And maybe a VCDS autoscan?
Can you maybe show the instructions too, so we can see what you did. And maybe a VCDS autoscan?
Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Sorry about the pics, I tried something too fancy and failed. Should work now?
I'll run VCDS autoscan and upload it here.
This PDF seems to be a copy of my instructions that I used. I'm not 100% sure about the relay though. There were three relays, two of them were for high current. I used the lower current relay. All of them appeared to key-switch 12V.
One question more: My ECU seems to be chiptuned by a previous owner. Does that have some effect to cruise? I read from somewhere that in an older ECU, retrofit cruise failed due to that. He had the car in VAG service and CC started to work.
I'll run VCDS autoscan and upload it here.
This PDF seems to be a copy of my instructions that I used. I'm not 100% sure about the relay though. There were three relays, two of them were for high current. I used the lower current relay. All of them appeared to key-switch 12V.
One question more: My ECU seems to be chiptuned by a previous owner. Does that have some effect to cruise? I read from somewhere that in an older ECU, retrofit cruise failed due to that. He had the car in VAG service and CC started to work.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Thanks, the pictures now work.
Concerning the chiptuning, that really depends how the tuner did his/her job. If he/she only adapted some core fields, no problem. If he/she did a sloppy job, CC might be broken.
PS, I like the dare of VW Teesside, to claim exclusive rights for the PDF guide while taking all the images and descriptions straight from ELSA (VWs own program) and/or the OEM installation guide (part number 7E0 012 175)
It's not like they made the guide...
Concerning the chiptuning, that really depends how the tuner did his/her job. If he/she only adapted some core fields, no problem. If he/she did a sloppy job, CC might be broken.
PS, I like the dare of VW Teesside, to claim exclusive rights for the PDF guide while taking all the images and descriptions straight from ELSA (VWs own program) and/or the OEM installation guide (part number 7E0 012 175)
It's not like they made the guide...
Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
To me that PDF looks like its VAG part is scanned from a copy of the same paper document I have. In any case, I agree.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
okay, awaiting autoscan.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Has anyone on this forum retro fitted cruise control on a 6C polo?
The one with the steering wheel buttons for the cruise control!!!
cheers
scott
The one with the steering wheel buttons for the cruise control!!!
cheers
scott
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
I don't know anyone that performed this retrofit successfully. You'll need an activation code from the dealership to make this work.Scotty_boy vw wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:42 pm Has anyone on this forum retro fitted cruise control on a 6C polo?
The one with the steering wheel buttons for the cruise control!!!
cheers
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
Ok, here we go. My VCDS has a nasty issue to fail loading ASAM files sometimes. In this scan it succeeded when logging engine. I guess the other parts don't need it because there are no errors?
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VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
Data version: 20150904
www.Ross-Tech.com
Tuesday,01,August,2017,19:01:37:05031
Chassis Type: 7H (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 18 19 25 56 69 0B
VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZAH205987
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAAB) Labels: 03L-906-022-CAA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 CD HW: 03L 907 309 K
Component: R4 2,0L EDC X31 9118
Revision: 26X31--- Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0111401A232400080000
Shop #: WSC 01286 386 08256
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906022CD 002013
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906022CD.rod
VCID: 69DE258B886A4576EA-803C
2 Faults Found:
4481 - Cruise Control Switch (E45)
P0568 00 [032] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 304527 km
Date: 2087.14.18
Time: 02:57:42
4482 - Function Restriction due to Implausible Message(s)
U1112 00 [039] - -
Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 304527 km
Date: 2087.14.18
Time: 02:57:31
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 X
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----) Labels: 7E0-907-37x-MK25AXT.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 907 379 E HW: 7E0 907 379 E
Component: ESP MK25A XT H43 0103
Revision: 00H43001
Coding: 708724AD89A40E9A24AB9179696510
Shop #: WSC 02736 790 49152
VCID: 346084FF9728C89E89-8060
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: 7E5-907-047.clb
Part No SW: 7E5 907 047 Q HW: 7E5 907 047 Q
Component: Climatic-T5 H10 0101
Revision: 00004001
Coding: 0000000002
Shop #: WSC 02737 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimaticT5 A01002
ROD: EV_ClimaT5Basis_VN75.rod
VCID: 3D76A1DBAC6209D676-8068
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 7H0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 7H0 937 087 D HW: 7H0 937 087
Component: BCM T5GP H+4 H47 0221
Revision: BO047001 Serial number: 0347 151100001
Coding: A0B079382E212012002800003C2B84940000410F60040000300000000000
Shop #: WSC 02754 790 12345
VCID: 3566B9FB9C52D196BE-8060
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 HW: 7E0 959 801 Labels: 7E0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 002 0301
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 HW: 7E0 959 802 Labels: 7E0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 002 0305
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D HW: 3C8 959 537 D Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-TK6 H07 0022
Coding: E20000
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 A HW: 7E0 959 655 A
Component: VW10Airbag00N H05 0011
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003E50006NJR
Coding: 00000000000000000000000000000000304E
Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_IarbaVW10BPAVN750 A01001
ROD: N/A
VCID: 346084FF9F28C89E89-8060
No ASAM data for: "EV_IarbaVW10BPAVN750" (VN75)
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 920 860 A HW: 7E0 920 860 A
Component: KOMBI H15 0111
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 160800
Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_Okmbi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04041
ROD: N/A
VCID: 26446EB759F4AA0E07-8072
No ASAM data for: "EV_Okmbi_UDS_VDD_RM09" (VW36 *)
No fault code found.
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Address 18: Aux. Heat Labels: None
Part No: 7E5 815 071 D
Component: J737Z_Standmeizung% 0404
Revision: 00085050 Serial number: 0<019275A00000
Coding: 0000031
Shop #: WSC 68293 788 00000
VCID: 2B529F838A169766D8-807E
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 7H0 937 087
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0221
Coding: 042200
Shop #: WSC 02754 790 12345
VCID: 70E848EFA3B0B4BEAD-8024
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 920 860 A HW: 7E0 920 860 A
Component: IMMO H15 0111
Serial number:
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_USD_VDD_RM09 A03004
ROD: N/A
VCID: 26446EB759F4AA0E07-8072
No ASAM data for: "EV_Immo_USD_VDD_RM09" (VW36 *)
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 035 156 HW: 7E0 035 156
Component: Radio H21 0058
Revision: R0000000 Serial number: VWZAZ1I9802769
Coding: 0000020101
Shop #: WSC 02736 790 12345
VCID: 60C838AF7350043E3D-8034
No fault code found.
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Address 69: Trailer (J345) Labels: 1K0-907-383-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F HW: 1K0 907 383 F
Component: ConWysTrailer H07 0100
Revision: 3A001001 Serial number: 00000132425721
Coding: 0100000100000000
Shop #: WSC 00007 223 174336
VCID: 306888EF6330F4BEED-8064
No fault code found.
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems
As far as I can see, the black-yellow cable must run to the steering column combi switch (2 connectors), to the BCM (1 connector) and ECU (1 connector).
I'm struggling a bit to visualize the e-boxes etc on the T5 GP.
But can you somehow verify that the black-yellow cable goes to the ECU connector, the one with 96 pins, and goes into slot number 64.
--> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxYPV ... kh2SkxrYlE
it may be indirectly routed, since I'm not getting this fuse/relay stuff yet.
I'm struggling a bit to visualize the e-boxes etc on the T5 GP.
But can you somehow verify that the black-yellow cable goes to the ECU connector, the one with 96 pins, and goes into slot number 64.
--> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxYPV ... kh2SkxrYlE
it may be indirectly routed, since I'm not getting this fuse/relay stuff yet.