Hill Hold Assist

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Re: Hill Hold Assist

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Sounds more like an issue to me, I've never had it hold me when taking off facing uphill. If you're being stuck when releasing the brakes to roll back, tapping the accelerator should release it (I do this every day with no problem)

Edit: Mines is a manual FWIW
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Re: Hill Hold Assist

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I'd think that your car has a DSG type of gearbox, I don't think that would work on a manual box as I think that it is only the clutch pedal switch that releases the valves on the ABS block, well at least that is what I've thought is the way it works with car with manual gearboxes.
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Gazza1994, can you not avoid some tricky situations by using the handbrake and avoiding the HHA engaging? Just a thought!

Edit:- you have sorted out your handbrake haven't you?
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Re: Hill Hold Assist

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RUM4MO wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:24 pm Gazza1994, can you not avoid some tricky situations by using the handbrake and avoiding the HHA engaging? Just a thought!

Edit:- you have sorted out your handbrake haven't you?
Handbreak is sorted yea!

Even when I do use the handbreak HHA still turns itself on!
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Yes, but if you release the brakes as soon as you apply the handbrake, or even before as the car is almost stopped, then the HHA will not be engaged, well if you release the footbrake before the car is stationary anyway. I've never been a driver that holds a car on the footbrake unless there is no other method to use at that moment, as doing that keeps on the brake lights which is not very clever for the following drivers, so the only time I deliberately invoke the HHA is reversing up my driveway. At the first "Stop" on my way out to the proper main road, which is on a slope, normally I use the handbrake so that I can "leap" out when the road is clear and not feel the need to wait until I feel the brakes being released after the HHA has "switched off".

HHA can be handy, I'll not deny that, and it has been said that when we all end up having cars that have electric handbrakes, it is better to default to using the HHA than using the electric handbrake at every temporary stop - how true that is I can't say but I would add that if that is what we should be doing, then this simple low level HHA in these cars is no good for that situation, you would need the all singing and dancing proper HHA which holds the car maybe for ever, or until you switch off the engine, or remove the driver's seat belt, or open the driver's door - at which point the electric handbrake gets switched on and HHA released. I will add to that, when I am out in my S4, and have selected auto HHA or in that case AHHA, I do drag my heals when moving off to give the AHHA time to release the brakes - so there is no escaping this feeling, if you are a car caring driver, either you pour power into partially braked drive shafts, or you are slow off the mark and pour the power in just after the brakes have released.

All this assumes that your car does not have a braking problem that is holding the brakes on a bit even when HHA releases them.
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Just throwing my 2 cents in. I am on a manual gearbox Polo which also has HHA. The only time I found it annoying was while slowly trying to slide the card backwards, downhill, that's a real pain, but I find myself doing that like once a year, so not a real issue.

In your case though, not sure if you have stick or a DSG, but, mine never held me in place, after pressing the clutch, and then the acceleration, the brakes are immediately released.

So, it may be that you're facing some issues here ? I mean, HHA is not meant to hold you in place when trying to go forwards. Not sure how that works in DSGs but, it wouldn't make sense to do so.
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RUM4MO wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:58 am Yes, but if you release the brakes as soon as you apply the handbrake, or even before as the car is almost stopped, then the HHA will not be engaged, well if you release the footbrake before the car is stationary anyway. I've never been a driver that holds a car on the footbrake unless there is no other method to use at that moment, as doing that keeps on the brake lights which is not very clever for the following drivers, so the only time I deliberately invoke the HHA is reversing up my driveway. At the first "Stop" on my way out to the proper main road, which is on a slope, normally I use the handbrake so that I can "leap" out when the road is clear and not feel the need to wait until I feel the brakes being released after the HHA has "switched off".

HHA can be handy, I'll not deny that, and it has been said that when we all end up having cars that have electric handbrakes, it is better to default to using the HHA than using the electric handbrake at every temporary stop - how true that is I can't say but I would add that if that is what we should be doing, then this simple low level HHA in these cars is no good for that situation, you would need the all singing and dancing proper HHA which holds the car maybe for ever, or until you switch off the engine, or remove the driver's seat belt, or open the driver's door - at which point the electric handbrake gets switched on and HHA released. I will add to that, when I am out in my S4, and have selected auto HHA or in that case AHHA, I do drag my heals when moving off to give the AHHA time to release the brakes - so there is no escaping this feeling, if you are a car caring driver, either you pour power into partially braked drive shafts, or you are slow off the mark and pour the power in just after the brakes have released.

All this assumes that your car does not have a braking problem that is holding the brakes on a bit even when HHA releases them.
definetly not a breaking problem they where checked not too long ago and are fine.

HHA has always been a "problem" i like having it, but, its mostly just when i want to go "quickly" its impossible, and when i forget i have it (ya'know coz it makes its own mind up when to hold me on a hill) i attempt to go quickly and stall
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Re: Hill Hold Assist

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In my car with DSC HHC i didn't even notice it. Had to test it explicitelly to find if it is enabed.

1) Drive / Forward gear:
3s hold after that time if you do nothing car will slip ~20cm and clatch will engage and rpm will go up, car will go slowly up despite hill
2) Reverse
The same but oposite direction, car will not go forward breaks are holding it for 3s.

Time can be configured via diagnostic interface same as steeing assist, haven't done that though. Peatty that its not possible to do it in setting options.

stalling manual car, agree same for me. When I get rental car (specially small engines) and dont know if its fitted i will usually stall going up the hill. Im used to quicly move from break to gas w/o handbreak, this doesnt work with HHC
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