Hi all!!
Just signed up for this forumm it looks great! lots of polo ppl, anyways. i am getting my fist polo soon, and i have got all the exterior styling, rims, lights and all the stuff plotted out. i am also going to give it a engine mod either a vr6 or the 1.8t from the a3.
My problem is that there are a whole load of diffrent models of polo mk1 - 5 and i dont know what is what. Since i am going to do quite big changes to it a would like to get the "right" polo for doing these kind of changes the first time, so i dont have to sell and by a new one
Is there a guide on the internet where u can se pictures and detailed explanation on the differences, what engines u can put in them and other usfull stuff..
polo models?
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david burton
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welcome!
no guide as far as I know - but the chaps on here are pretty clued up!
as far as I can tell, most people modify the 6N model (mk4 polo) because of it's low initial cost and the amount of mods available for it is large.
no doubt you will get loads of replies to this!
enjoy your stay - seems like you have a lot planned
no guide as far as I know - but the chaps on here are pretty clued up!
as far as I can tell, most people modify the 6N model (mk4 polo) because of it's low initial cost and the amount of mods available for it is large.
no doubt you will get loads of replies to this!
enjoy your stay - seems like you have a lot planned
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Hi and welcome to the forum. I am working on a model guide for the polo which will be released shortly (another one of my many uncompleted projects 
why aren't there more hours in the day!)
As you will be aware you have a couple of choices open to you depending on what route of modification you take. If your planning on a high performance engine swap here are my thoughts...
The Mk3 Polo (2F I believe the model number is) would be an ideal candidate because of the low weight compared to the other models of polo and Golf, but it still is more sturdy and relieable than its Ford/Vauxhall/Pugeot counterparts. The only drawback to this is the relativly small engine bays.
The Mk4 Polo (6n) are starting to drop in price and are becoming more affordable as projects. They offer a sturdier base and more luxuries at the cost of a bit of kurb weight (there still not as heavy as an equivalent Golf though). In my opinion the 6n also response better to subtle styling as well, but thats down to personal opinions.
The 20vT swap (or 1.8T, whatever you want to call it) is the current engine of choice. Its low(ish) weight and ability to be tuned in excess of 300hp means you could build one scorching track car. This has been done a few times on the continent and rumours are abound of one being built here (although its not for track use 
). Expect to pay between £6 - 8000, there are loads of firms that will be willing to help you as well, JBS Auto Designs being one my more favoured garages.
A lot of people are shying away from VR6 swaps now, especially into smaller cars like the mk1 Golf and Polo's. The main reasons are the V block is very heavy and can encourage understeer (but not in the extremes some people will leave you to believe) however if you building a car for the 1/4 mile what does that matter? The other reason is the bhp to £££ ratio. To get more ponies you have to invest quite substantial sums of money, though my opinion is once you here that VR growl you'll know exactly where all your money went and the creamy spread of torque is great for day to day driving unlike the on/off behaviour of a big turbo engine.
At the end of the day its you choice, let us know what you want to build the car for and I can give you a more detailled list of pros and cons for each engine and chassis.
Cheers
Karl
why aren't there more hours in the day!)As you will be aware you have a couple of choices open to you depending on what route of modification you take. If your planning on a high performance engine swap here are my thoughts...
The Mk3 Polo (2F I believe the model number is) would be an ideal candidate because of the low weight compared to the other models of polo and Golf, but it still is more sturdy and relieable than its Ford/Vauxhall/Pugeot counterparts. The only drawback to this is the relativly small engine bays.
The Mk4 Polo (6n) are starting to drop in price and are becoming more affordable as projects. They offer a sturdier base and more luxuries at the cost of a bit of kurb weight (there still not as heavy as an equivalent Golf though). In my opinion the 6n also response better to subtle styling as well, but thats down to personal opinions.
The 20vT swap (or 1.8T, whatever you want to call it) is the current engine of choice. Its low(ish) weight and ability to be tuned in excess of 300hp means you could build one scorching track car. This has been done a few times on the continent and rumours are abound of one being built here (although its not for track use
). Expect to pay between £6 - 8000, there are loads of firms that will be willing to help you as well, JBS Auto Designs being one my more favoured garages.A lot of people are shying away from VR6 swaps now, especially into smaller cars like the mk1 Golf and Polo's. The main reasons are the V block is very heavy and can encourage understeer (but not in the extremes some people will leave you to believe) however if you building a car for the 1/4 mile what does that matter? The other reason is the bhp to £££ ratio. To get more ponies you have to invest quite substantial sums of money, though my opinion is once you here that VR growl you'll know exactly where all your money went and the creamy spread of torque is great for day to day driving unlike the on/off behaviour of a big turbo engine.
At the end of the day its you choice, let us know what you want to build the car for and I can give you a more detailled list of pros and cons for each engine and chassis.
Cheers
Karl
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Re: polo models?
MK1cinder wrote:My problem is that there are a whole load of diffrent models of polo mk1 - 5 and i dont know what is what. Since i am going to do quite big changes to it a would like to get the "right" polo for doing these kind of changes the first time, so i dont have to sell and by a new one
Is there a guide on the internet where u can se pictures and detailed explanation on the differences, what engines u can put in them and other usfull stuff..
Click the link below for more info
http://www.geeforty.freeserve.co.uk/history/mk1.htm
MKII
Click the link below for more info
http://www.geeforty.freeserve.co.uk/history/mk2.htm
MKIII
Click the link below for more info
http://www.geeforty.freeserve.co.uk/history/mk2f.htm
MKIV or 6n
Click the link below for more info
http://www.geeforty.freeserve.co.uk/history/mk3.htm
MKV or 6n2
Click the link below for more info
http://www.geeforty.freeserve.co.uk/history/mk3f.htm
nice little bit of web work I thought - not my reply - the site is!!!
I've just realised I picked all red ones - spooky - I don't like red cars as a rule but polo's do look nice in every model in red!!! (and white
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I pic em up this sunday at Trax - wanted to get em sooner but I suppose thats life!!!chubbster wrote:did you buy them 6n2 gti wheels in the end (for sale section abit back)? if so where are the piccys? im interested in the look myself
Soon as I've got em refurbed I'll post the pics of em on the car up.........
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wow!! Thanx for all the great answers, that sure cleared up a few things aroud the polo for me. so from the guide Bastardchild put together i can see that it is a MKIV or 6n witch is the car im am going to go for.
When it comes to what i am going to do with the car and what i want to use it for, its like this. We go to the tracks around in norway maby 5 times a year. since that is quite little i am also going to use the car like a ordinary car. To and from work and stuff like that.
I have found a nice one on the net today:
http://www1.autodb.no/cgi-bin/car/detail.pl?nr=531241
the first link on that page has some more pictures.
This car costs about 5500£ so then i am broke for some while. but midd winter i want to start building on it. The point here is to make this car a reall mean machine but over some time. But i dont really know where to start, what to buy first. fitt first or anythiing. Also it would be good to know what is the easyest convertion for the polo, with that i mean what parts fitt the best, since i have little or no experience in building cars.
I have 2 friends that are going to help me, they do bmw 730,750 & 800 series convertions so they are good. but i figured that the easyer we make it come together the faster, no one will start moaning and leaving the project on hold for months on end and stuff like that.0
hope all that diden`t sound totally stupid and if it did maby u guys can help me and point me in the right direction
Thanx all
When it comes to what i am going to do with the car and what i want to use it for, its like this. We go to the tracks around in norway maby 5 times a year. since that is quite little i am also going to use the car like a ordinary car. To and from work and stuff like that.
I have found a nice one on the net today:
http://www1.autodb.no/cgi-bin/car/detail.pl?nr=531241
the first link on that page has some more pictures.
This car costs about 5500£ so then i am broke for some while. but midd winter i want to start building on it. The point here is to make this car a reall mean machine but over some time. But i dont really know where to start, what to buy first. fitt first or anythiing. Also it would be good to know what is the easyest convertion for the polo, with that i mean what parts fitt the best, since i have little or no experience in building cars.
I have 2 friends that are going to help me, they do bmw 730,750 & 800 series convertions so they are good. but i figured that the easyer we make it come together the faster, no one will start moaning and leaving the project on hold for months on end and stuff like that.0
hope all that diden`t sound totally stupid and if it did maby u guys can help me and point me in the right direction
Thanx all
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Thanks for the compliment - I used to have a MKII - hated the MKIV when I first got it but have grown to like it a lot in a very short space of timecinder wrote:wow!! Thanx for all the great answers, that sure cleared up a few things aroud the polo for me. so from the guide Bastardchild put together i can see that it is a MKIV or 6n witch is the car im am going to go for.
I can understand that - I do the same with a few of my other carscinder wrote:When it comes to what i am going to do with the car and what i want to use it for, its like this. We go to the tracks around in norway maby 5 times a year. since that is quite little i am also going to use the car like a ordinary car. To and from work and stuff like that.
Looks quite nice - wheels suit it - I assume from the kv (bhp) its a 1.6 8V - but if you're gonna bin the engine and stick something else in it doesn't matter what it is.....cinder wrote:I have found a nice one on the net today:
http://www1.autodb.no/cgi-bin/car/detail.pl?nr=531241
the first link on that page has some more pictures.
ABS is handy tho!!I can't advise you on the engine conversion - I'd assume 1.8T golf engine but I'll leave that to others who are far more knowledgable than me.cinder wrote:This car costs about 5500£ so then i am broke for some while. but midd winter i want to start building on it. The point here is to make this car a reall mean machine but over some time. But i dont really know where to start, what to buy first. fitt first or anythiing. Also it would be good to know what is the easyest convertion for the polo, with that i mean what parts fitt the best, since i have little or no experience in building cars.
I can understand the cost of cars in norway - A lot of my Norwegian friends modify their Lotus Omegas and Senators - most are Germany personal imports that are cut and shuts to avoid the tax implications - you'll know what I mean
Handy friends to have around and you're right golden rule is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)cinder wrote:I have 2 friends that are going to help me, they do bmw 730,750 & 800 series convertions so they are good. but i figured that the easyer we make it come together the faster, no one will start moaning and leaving the project on hold for months on end and stuff like that.0
Sounded fine too me.......cinder wrote:hope all that diden`t sound totally stupid and if it did maby u guys can help me and point me in the right direction
Thanx all
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Glad you got it sorted
If your wanting to keep it low cost after buying the car i would focus on the breathing - by this I mean a replacement air filter and sports exhaust. This should free up 5 - 10hp and make the engine feel much more free revving (as well as making you sound faster! )
After that I wouldn't touch the engine if your planning to replace it. I'd work on the chassis, some wide 15" or 16" wheels with some sports tyres, lowered and stiffened suspension and bigger, better brakes will make you go round a track much quicker, sometimes (depending on what you buy) a sorted chassis can be the same as adding 50hp.
After that I would (ideally) go for the 225 version of the 20vT engine (as fitted to the S3 and Leon Cupra). The main reason for this is you'll have more than enough power straight away (225hp is a lot in a polo!) but you'll still keep a high element of relieabilty. Also with this block you'll get uprated injectors and fuel pump (and pistons i think) so if you do decide to up the power less will need replacing.
Alternativly the 180hp version of this engine would still make a hot polo.
The main problem you will come across (or your friends will!) is the electrics. Make sure you get the clocks and keys from the donor car, but chances are it still wont work properly (I hate VAG immobilisers) luckily there are plenty of UK specialists that will be able to instruct you of ways round this.
Hope that helps
If your wanting to keep it low cost after buying the car i would focus on the breathing - by this I mean a replacement air filter and sports exhaust. This should free up 5 - 10hp and make the engine feel much more free revving (as well as making you sound faster!
)After that I wouldn't touch the engine if your planning to replace it. I'd work on the chassis, some wide 15" or 16" wheels with some sports tyres, lowered and stiffened suspension and bigger, better brakes will make you go round a track much quicker, sometimes (depending on what you buy) a sorted chassis can be the same as adding 50hp.
After that I would (ideally) go for the 225 version of the 20vT engine (as fitted to the S3 and Leon Cupra). The main reason for this is you'll have more than enough power straight away (225hp is a lot in a polo!) but you'll still keep a high element of relieabilty. Also with this block you'll get uprated injectors and fuel pump (and pistons i think) so if you do decide to up the power less will need replacing.
Alternativly the 180hp version of this engine would still make a hot polo.
The main problem you will come across (or your friends will!) is the electrics. Make sure you get the clocks and keys from the donor car, but chances are it still wont work properly (I hate VAG immobilisers) luckily there are plenty of UK specialists that will be able to instruct you of ways round this.
Hope that helps