At the right price, as a second car, maybe. No-one is going to buy a used xar with a realistic 60 mile range unless they never need to go beyond it, or you'll be in a situation that for a longer journey, you'd spend almost as much time charging as driving.Andy Beats wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:22 pmWe'll have to agree to disagree here.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:40 pm
No range anxiety issues for me. I decided that for the range offered, the ID3 would suit me for 95% of my miles without needing to charge away from home, with a realistic 220 Summer miles on the Motorway. As soon as you start chipping away at the range, the number of people it suits diminishes. When you get down to 60 usable miles on a full charge, there's very few people who are going to stomach that,because most people will regularly need to go beyond a 30 mile radius of their home. Who would buy a petrol car with a 1.5gallon tank? Not many.
As I said pensioners going to Morrisons and back a few times a week won 't mind, most others will.
It's feasible people will need 'one' of their cars to do more than a 30 mile radius, I get that.
But there's plenty will never stray farther than that, or will be happy for their second car not to go over that.
So, for the right price, a 60 mile ID3 will still appeal to someone doing town and school runs.
I don't get the fixation with pensioners, 60 miles between charges is still a pretty busy day!
60 miles of a busy mum running around, or a commuter, then plug in and you've got 60 miles the next day - where's the problem with that?
Let me frame the debate another way.
Do you think, for the right price, there is a market for an electric car that only does 60 miles?
I'm convinced there is, so why wouldn't an ancient ID3 be that car?
I use the pensioner argument because many pensioners 75+ don't have the bottle to drive on the motorway to do a long journey, but will happily potter around locally within that 60 mile range. I have a 63 mile round trip commute, so a 60 mile range ancient leaf would be useless to me. Add into the mix people who can't charge at home and the reality of charging at your local rapid charger every day or every other day and you're onto a serious inconvenience.
Are worn batteries inefficient in charging? By that I mean, do you put a lot more in to get less out e.g. on a new battery with 60kWh capacity you end up using maybe 61kWh of electricity but down the line if it maybe only gives out 30kWh but takes significantly more than that? Don't know, presuming not.
So I suppose every car has its price, but I do think a 60 mile range EV will be very low, with a small window of buyers.