Hi All,
If you don't remember be I am the guy who a year or so ago was implementing a full AWD swap into a 2010 6J Seat Ibiza, I am pleased to confirm it was a success, and a massive thanks to iichel and ciclo for helping me with some of the wiring and coding niggles that occurred.
With the AWD being such a success, I decided to look for an engine change, and have landed on an EA113 CDL 2.0TSI from a facelift Audi S3 8P.
https://i.imgur.com/BmHU4Is.jpg
I have been building the engine for the last 6 months and have acquired a gold dust CDLJ Polo WRC that I will be using to run the engine management (PN: 6R0907115).
The next step I need to start investigating is the ABS side of things, as I want to run as close to an OEM solution as I possibly can. From what I've researched i've been able to determine that the Polo WRC being a M/Y: 2013-14 runs Bosch ESP 9.0i (pq) instead of my current 8.2i
the legend that is polo.blue has already completed an esp 9.0i conversion, but from talking to him he ended up landing on a standalone engine management for his 2.0tsi swap, which I'd like to avoid.
His esp 9.0i conversion was documented fantastically and will be a big help for my ABS conversion, but i was curious about long coding.
https://polo.blue/2018/05/26/swapping-e ... -esp-9-0i/
There is not a lot of information about the coding parameters to keep the ABS happy with the CDLJ engine code. I'm not so worried about the LHD/RHD issue, as long as I can get some ABS long coding accepted.
I am presuming I will be needing an AS 9.0i abs pump (PN: 6R0 907 375 AS) but if anyone thinks otherwise please do let me know.
the ECU I have for the CDLJ is immo off, and I have a friend who can do immo off at the cluster, but it would be nice to re-activate the immo at some point for a potential KESSY conversion (wishful thinking).
https://i.imgur.com/7eleWzC.jpg
So my question is, does anyone have or know of a solid long coding string for a polo WRC, that I would be able to adjust for my VIN + tweak for potential RHD parameters?
My brake setup is 323mm 4 piston Brembo Junior from a mk1 LCR and 310mm vented rears from an 8P RS3, so the closer I can get to that in terms of ABS brake size parameters, the nicer the ABS might feel. I know the max for 9.0i is 312/232mm but that is a big step forward from my current 288/232 coding configuration.
https://i.imgur.com/rimMwd2.jpg
I really hope you like the build idea and credit as always to the unbelievably clever people in this group who allow these sorts of things to happen
Thanks!
2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
- iichel
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
you can not code it for the brake setup you have, that doesn't exist.
what you can do is code it for the brake pressure distribution that is closest to your preference
256mm/200mm drums
256mm/232mm discs
288mm/200mm drums
288mm/232mm discs
312mm/232mm discs (9.0i only)
what you can do is code it for the brake pressure distribution that is closest to your preference
256mm/200mm drums
256mm/232mm discs
288mm/200mm drums
288mm/232mm discs
312mm/232mm discs (9.0i only)
- MIH11MI6
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
Yeah that's the plan, go for 312 232 on esp 9.0i, I'm just a bit worried about getting the long coding for CDLJ engine
- iichel
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
The wrc comes with its own bn (iirc) esp firmware while Polo 6r was delivered with as. It might be worthwhile to compare units to the audi s1 as well since the CDL + quattro setup is factory in that car.
- MIH11MI6
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
Oh right okay ill have a look into it
S1 Quattro is on PQ26 (6C) architecture, and are EA888.3 not EA113 engines
Closest match is the audi A1 quattro, but they're even harder to find parts for than a WRC. I know they run 8X PN ECU and ABS pumps, but I've only ever seen one and was eye Wateringly expensive so wanted to try avoid that if I could
Do you know of anywhere I can find out what VW shipped the WRC with?
S1 Quattro is on PQ26 (6C) architecture, and are EA888.3 not EA113 engines
Closest match is the audi A1 quattro, but they're even harder to find parts for than a WRC. I know they run 8X PN ECU and ABS pumps, but I've only ever seen one and was eye Wateringly expensive so wanted to try avoid that if I could
Do you know of anywhere I can find out what VW shipped the WRC with?
- iichel
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
Look for polo wrc vcds autoscans on the internet. I'll post one later.
I think the abs controller was fit to find Ibiza's as well
I think the abs controller was fit to find Ibiza's as well
- MIH11MI6
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
Thanks iichel!
Yeah I can't see how they would have gone to the extent of a whole abs module just for the WRC with no cross compatibility, especially considering it was a FWD architecture aswell
Hopefully with some luck and a few wiring changes I should be able to get it working OEM
I'll be using a Toledo NH cluster same as I am now, just a petrol 2016 onwards version so I can use the MFSW steering wheel buttons also
Yeah I can't see how they would have gone to the extent of a whole abs module just for the WRC with no cross compatibility, especially considering it was a FWD architecture aswell
Hopefully with some luck and a few wiring changes I should be able to get it working OEM
I'll be using a Toledo NH cluster same as I am now, just a petrol 2016 onwards version so I can use the MFSW steering wheel buttons also
- iichel
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
This is the scan for Polo WRC, with BG firmware on an AS controller.
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Sonntag,27,M‰rz,2016,14:09:37:64765
VCDS -- Windows-basierter VAG/VAS-Emulator l‰uft auf Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: RKS 15.7.3.1
Datenstand: 20160216
http://shop.dieselschrauber.de
Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: WVWZZZ6RZEYxxxxxxxx KFZ-Kennzeichen:
Kilometerstand: 5850km Reparaturauftrag:
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Fahrzeugtyp: 6R (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 44 55 0B
Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: WVWZZZ6RZEYxxxxxxxx Kilometerstand: 5850km
01-Motorelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
03-Bremsenelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
04-Lenkwinkelsensor -- Status: i.O. 0000
08-Klima-/Heizungsel. -- Status: i.O. 0000
09-Zentralelektrik -- Status: i.O. 0000
10-Einparkhilfe 2 -- Status: i.O. 0000
15-Airbag -- Status: i.O. 0000
17-Schalttafeleinsatz -- Status: i.O. 0000
19-Diagnoseinterface -- Status: i.O. 0000
25-Wegfahrsperre -- Status: i.O. 0000
44-Lenkhilfe -- Status: i.O. 0000
55-Leuchtweitenreg. -- Status: i.O. 0000
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Adresse 01: Motorelektronik (CDL) Labeldatei: User\6R0-907-115.lbl
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 115 HW: 6R0 907 115
Bauteil: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 02 0020
Revision: 5LH02--- Seriennummer:
Codierung: 0403000C18070160
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
VCID: 6FE605087E61F14699-803A
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
Readiness: 0000 0000
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Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik (J104) Labeldatei: DRV\6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 379 BG HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
Bauteil: ESP9.0i front H03 0001
Seriennummer: --------------
Codierung: 21DD7885432802C7841C1E6AC256404D0904
Betriebsnr.: WSC 01383 785 00200
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003020
ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_AU21.rod
VCID: 040C5AA48FE7E21E54-8050
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 08: Klima-/Heizungsel. (J255) Labeldatei: 6R0-907-044.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 044 H HW: 6R0 907 044 H
Bauteil: Climatronic H12 0812
Revision: V0000000
VCID: 3874FE548BAF76FE88-806C
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 09: Zentralelektrik (J519) Labeldatei: DRV\7H0-937-08x-09.clb
Teilenummer SW: 7H0 937 090 B HW: 7H0 937 090
Bauteil: BCM PQ25 Max4 H74 0712
Revision: B9074001 Seriennummer: 0571 207130823
Codierung: 24B0293F08E12400932809916C0B05D15A80472F60011040200000030000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
VCID: 2D5ADF0074EDC356EB-8078
Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer: 1K0 955 559 AH Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
Bauteil: RLS 050713 05 54 0403
Codierung: 02302D
Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 801 AT HW: 6R0 959 801 AT Labeldatei: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Bauteil: J386__TSG_FT 003 8620
Codierung: 0000A0
Subsystem 3 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 802 BE HW: 6R0 959 802 BE Labeldatei: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Bauteil: J387__TSG_BT 003 8620
Codierung: 1000A0
Subsystem 4 - Teilenummer: 1K8 951 171 A
Bauteil: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Codierung: 000000
Subsystem 5 - Teilenummer: 1K0 951 605 C
Bauteil: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Codierung: 000000
Subsystem 6 - Teilenummer: 1K8 951 171 A
Bauteil: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0103
Codierung: 000000
Subsystem 7 - Teilenummer SW: 5K0 959 542 C HW: 5K0 959 542 C
Bauteil: E221__MFL-TAS H31 0037
Codierung: 020000
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 10: Einparkhilfe 2 (J446) Labeldatei: DRV\6R0-919-475.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 919 475 C HW: 7E0 919 475
Bauteil: PARKHILFE 4K H11 0013
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: 47331318603234
Codierung: 108004
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_VW250ParkiAssis2 S01008
ROD: EV_VW250ParkiAssis2.rod
VCID: 3E78E84CA18B48CE42-806A
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 15: Airbag (J234) Labeldatei: 5K0-959-655.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 655 M HW: 6R0 959 655 M
Bauteil: VW10Airbag0C3 H10 0020
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: 003GZ001D93.
Codierung: 004333
Betriebsnr.: WSC 01383 785 00200
ASAM Datensatz: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_SE25.rod
VCID: 4C9CB284E737EA5EDC-8018
Crashsensor f¸r Seitenairbag Fahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3575HRB406522BUO2964
Crashsensor f¸r Seitenairbag Beifahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3585HRB400U50I7ECPO0
Crashsensor f¸r Seitenairbag hinten Fahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3515RRB401I50KR4DPJ0
Crashsensor f¸r Seitenairbag hinten Beifahrerseite:
Seriennummer: 3525RRB401I50KR49P0L
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 17: Schalttafeleinsatz (J285) Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 920 870 F HW: 6R0 920 870 F
Bauteil: KOMBI H04 0709
Seriennummer: 00000000000000
Codierung: 140E00
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
VCID: 3874FE5483AF76FE88-806C
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533) Labeldatei: DRV\6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 7H0 937 090
Bauteil: GW-K-CAN TP20 H74 0712
Revision: B9074001
Codierung: 002000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
VCID: 70E40674A35FEEBE80-8024
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 25: Wegfahrsperre (J334) Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Teilenummer SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Bauteil: IMMO H04 0709
Seriennummer:
Codierung: 000000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Datensatz: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
VCID: 6AD0141C8D83146ECE-803E
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 44: Lenkhilfe Labeldatei: DRV\6Q0-423-156.clb
Teilenummer: 6R0 423 156 C
Bauteil: LenkhilfeTRW V278
Codierung: 11281
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788
VCID: 3064C674F7DFAEBEC0-8064
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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Adresse 55: Leuchtweitenreg. (J431) Labeldatei: DRV\6R0-907-357.clb
Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 357 HW: 6R0 907 357
Bauteil: LWR-ECU H02 0070
Revision: -------- Seriennummer: --------------
Codierung: 0112000001000000
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Datensatz: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
VCID: 77F63D68CE31B98641-8022
Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
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- MIH11MI6
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Re: 2.0TSI CDLJ Swap into AWD Ibiza 6J - ABS Help
amazing thankyou so much!
And it looks like good news, the BG ABS pumps are Ibiza compatible, and lots of Second hand units on ebay for cheap, so will definitely be able to make that work
I have sourced a full body harness from a 2013 Ibiza Cupra, which will already have the petrol differences and ABS wiring differences sorted, so that puts me a step closer
Thanks for the help as always!
And it looks like good news, the BG ABS pumps are Ibiza compatible, and lots of Second hand units on ebay for cheap, so will definitely be able to make that work
I have sourced a full body harness from a 2013 Ibiza Cupra, which will already have the petrol differences and ABS wiring differences sorted, so that puts me a step closer
Thanks for the help as always!