4king chavs!

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:42 am

bloody sharon started on me in petrol station, first verbal but then attacked the car, and me when i tried to hold her off. has left a nice dent in my drivers door (my GOOD door) that looks like it could be tricky ie expensive to fix, and some scratches on my arm and face

police took fifteen bloody minutes to arrive and told me not to follow her on foot, which meant she was able to hop into a taxi and scarper. of course, they can do nothing.

still took a statement off me, wasting an hour and a bloody half of my sleeping time... why couldnt they have just said "theres little chance we can do anything" and leave it at that?

next time something like this happens i think i'll rely on the big metal stoplock, just as a threatening tool of course

gold hoopy earings, the works

Si_GTi · Post by **Si_GTi** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:11 am

Doesn't the petrol station have cameras? That sucks mate

toXXin · Post by **toXXin** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:21 am

May I ask why that happened?

carmadaaron · Post by **carmadaaron** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:26 am

yeah, petrol forecourts have CCTV cams

metz · Post by **metz** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:59 am

Yea it will all be on camera fo sho, If you had drove off without paying it would have anyway

Who started on you and why?
I've never hit a female (apart from my sisters but they don't count lol) but if one was hitting and scratching me i think i would have slapped her across the face to bring her to her senses....If one had marked my car in anyway though...my temper would have got the better and she would have been laid on the forecourt.

I can't belive the police, they are utter crap and not bothered about anything other than giving out fines for driving "offences" usually doing 32mph in a 30mph zone.

Whats the use reporting any crimes these days, no ones bothered about them. Until you sort the crime yourself and then you end up in prison...someone tell me where we went wrong? *apart from getting wannabe muslim tony blair to run our country* (he carries a flaming koran with him not a bible)

sorry for the tahrey like post tahrey

Hope your ok mate.

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:20 am

from work, very quick:

well apparently unless the cameras are working a lot better than usual and she's a prior offender, i dont have a snowballs chance in hell of them finding her

they will however have the taxi's plate, for all the good it'll do - cabbies having a tendancy to be dangerously blind and deaf behind the wheel, or at least skill in pretending to be in these situations

and several minutes of me railing against the inefficiency of the british justice system, which probably wont go down too well with the investigating detective if he plays that far ahead!

bloody typical, its been a crap week and a crap night.... my aerial's got bent over nearly clean off (baloons that were tied to it proving quite strong), the exhaust is busted, wheels are getting even wobblier

that car is bloody jynx!

CalvinGTI · Post by **CalvinGTI** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:38 am

You shoulda swept her legs Tahrey1043 and let her skanky ass crash to the floor, and then tell her if shes gets up u will floor her again, its happened to me b4, once they fall on there hips a couple of times they soon think twice about advancing on you again.

Actually makes me really annoyed just hearing about it mate, Police dont do diddly-squat these days, there all saddo's from your old high school that didnt ever make any friends, which is why they join the police force.

Which is why i choose to waste there time when they pull me over.

Any one done this b4? Whenever i get pulled over, i wait for them to approach then get out and lock my car straight away. then when they ask if they can search it, i just simply tell them that im in a hurry and got somewhere to be, and that if they dont give me a really really good reason as to why they need to search my car, then i wont let them.

then if they give you a bullsh1t reason, you take out a pen and paper and ask for there details before they search.

They soon change there mind about searching your car etc.

As long as you dont sound cocky and say it 'professionally' 99% of police will simply let u go on you way.

If anyone tries it, let me know who you got on !

Anwyayz i seemed to have gone off the topic haha

Hope your cars not that much scratched Tahrey1043 !!! mine got bloody egged at the weekend too, BLOOMIN trick or treaters !!!! washed and waxed it on sat too

SCREWIN !!!!

Calâ„¢

metz · Post by **metz** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:42 pm

If they make it legal to use any force nesessary when attacked by chavs it would soon slow them down... picture it...a chav gives you the rods muttering summat about "smakin yer fekin noze" and u get out and shoot him dead....all of a sudden his rat like mates are your best buddy's for life.

Bring back hanging i say, all burgalars drug abuses and twocers....hang em.
Would say rapists too but how easy is it these days for a girl to acuse you of rape anytime they wish....u meet a girl get along go home with her have sex then her mates find out and tease her so she fones the cops and says u raped her...u get 10 years she gets away scott free.

i also have gone horribly off subject....next time anyone says owt to u smack fek outta them tahrey.

P.s while coming home from dropping my mum off at work 2nite i pull up at traffic lights and amoung the people crossing 2 asian kids walk buy flag me off call my car a peice of s**t and me a white bastard..wtf? and isn't it us that are supposed to be racist? Bet if i got out and broke their arms i would be in the s**t though eh?

enough ramblings for now sorry about the stars ***

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:35 pm

Wish i'd thought about that calvin but times like that i just get misty and go into brawler mode, and its all that years of training myself not to go completely f***ing psycho and start throwing chairs (school bullies can do that to you, and i don't regard that class of person as anything better - probably because they're exactly the same folk) can do to keep my hands off their throat. Maybe i need to go beyond that and start trying to "fight" smart - your idea of landing her on her arse a couple times with no other damage sounds quite effective, plus i could have kept doing it all night til the rozzers finally pulled their fingers out*. Not that it was like a fight anyway. more me quite easily holding down a flailing tart but then having to push her away when the nails came out.

* I'm not blaming the constables here, just the system - i saw first hand at the station that there were about three spare officers for the entire region, and they have to lock up the station when they leave! That stuff takes time...

GroovyCarrot · Post by **GroovyCarrot** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:02 pm

What exactly set her off in the first place?

david burton · Post by **david burton** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:35 pm

metz - if you got out and broke their arms i guess you would be in the wrong. LOL

tahrey - hope your car's ok

calvin - egged? fook - have you seen what the shells can do to paint? i've seen examples that have scratched through to the primer in about 1000 tiny places. awful. you should have had some sweets ready. or napalm.

trick or treat? in brum, the treat is to leave the car on bricks.

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:43 am

Yeah i think it was kind of telling that the one who had a go with me was apparently out with her mum, resplendent in a yellow knitted jumper. Both as rough as old boots fished out of a canal - daughter probably the result of a very drunken fumble. Wish they'd been as limp as your lot. Plenty of fire but aiming it in the wrong direction if you know what i mean.
Ya' startin? Ya takin the p***? I'll kick ya head in... Jesus.

Eggs on cars, eep, that sort of story makes me glad there's an inch thick protective layer of dirt and road dust on it at the moment.

What started her off? I told her that the shop was closed and she shouldnt waste her time walking over to the counter from her taxi. Trying to be friendly and helpful like, as it was bollock freezing and she had the usual next-to-nothing whore-like but oddly unnattractive clothing you might expect when the tracksuit is off*.
(Pay-at-pump credit/cashcard fuel service only - it was 1am on sunday night/monday morning, what do you expect? even amongst 24hr garages only about 10% are open or have an attendant who's awake. Was only there myself as I didnt know whether there was the required juice in the tank to make it the last 2 miles back..).

She was actually laughing at one point, somehow when i told her if she was in such a good mood she could laugh at my knackered car as well (had to start it up to reverse up a pump) she got upset again. Only got physical when I gave up on trying to keep the exchange low key and with the minimum of hostilies (by which point she was in my face) and just turned away to ignore her.

Like they f*cking NEED a reason to haul off and kick up needless aggro anyway? She'd obviously had a crap night out, totally failed to pull because she was not only rough but had made a crap effort at scrubbing up, and wanted to take it out her unsatisfied libido on someone in a different way. Which then ended up with me back home and at work today trying my utmost not to take what she passed on out of anyone else. Not 100% sure I succeeded. 98% maybe.

* wish i wasnt being so sweeping and stereotypical here, it doesnt feel nice - but hell, its just unavoidable.

workinprogress · Post by **workinprogress** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:10 pm

which is why i have a baton in my car and several firearms at home safely locked away though ive always been a believer of mess around and get a slap type approach

Babe RuthLess · Post by **Babe RuthLess** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:48 am

Okay... What exactly is this chav phenomenon? I mean, from what I read here, there are people in England who verbally (and sometimes physically) attack other people for no particular reason?

I mean, over here there's a lot more violence but the other guy is usually carrying a gun and he's probably had a crap life and cannot (or will not try to) find something else to do. So, basically, violence is a direct consequence of social exclusion and an inefficient justice system (no-one ever gets arrested, and if they do they can break out of prison easily). In other words, we are robbed but (usually) not beaten up. Not without a reason anyway.

Now, in the chavs' case, from what I gather these people have jobs (never mind what kinds of jobs they may have, a McJob is still a job, and besides some of them seem to be pretty successful in financial terms), they've gone to school at some point in their lives (Britain still has a public school system AFAIK), they are not robbing others or anything... So, what the h*ll are they doing? Who are they? What's the whole point? Attitude problem?

Sorry about these questions, but I just can't get it!

Cheers.

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:56 pm

How to describe the "Chav", or Kev, Charver, Townie, Ned, Scallie, etc, to a foreigner.. not only in a different country but on a different continent, with all the cultural difference that entails.. Difficult.

I believe they may be more analogous the local villains you describe than you might realise, at least in terms of behaviour and thinking, except their violations tend to run more towards social crimes rather than out-and-out armed robbery (though there is still a fair bit of that)... mainly because they dont have guns.

They're just lower class lowlife scumbags who enjoy making life hell for other people and are just too thick to think of anything else. Go out, get drunk, and either f*ck someone or f*ck someone up, that's a good night out. Iniiit?
I dont know if you've ever had the opportunity to sample the british band Pulp, but their (now quite old) song Mis-Shapes tackled that subject quite well I think, from the standpoint of those who aren't particularly higher class or well moneyed, but sick of being kept down and having their quality of life ruined by those who make their money by dishonest means and then screw things up. Chavness is six parts social status and where you grew up/income based, but a good four parts independent from that - they crop up everywhere disguised as otherwise respectable, high ranking society members, not just on the council estates.

("Whats the point of being rich if you can't think what to do with it, because you're so bleeding thick?"
"We want the things you won't allow us - we won't use guns, we won't use bombs, we'll use the one thing we've got more of, that's our minds")

They most often DONT have jobs and have only had a superficial education - disrupting classes, bullying, skipping school through childhood and then dropping out early supposedly to "find a job" but really just to peddle fake rolexes - and are quite happy defrauding the benefit system and dealing in petty crime, wear glaring counterfeit copies of designer brands that were already in rather bad taste (before the recent Burberry and Von Dutch craze it was Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein etc.. and before that monstrous fake fur coats, tracksuits* and puffy bomber jackets.. etc) normally as an expression of some kind of "individualism" that is actually more like a uniform or herd mentality, wear horrid fake-gold or plated jewellery (often from a discount home furnishings catalogue without even seeing the item for real before wearing it) - e.g. the sovereign ring or large diameter hoop earring etc, cant talk properly (its becoming a whole new language), have consistently violent and confrontational attitudes and take offense at everything on purpose, and even if they are smart tend to act quite thick - using hitting something and making a noise as an outlet for energy or anger rather than any kind of work or creativity. Basically the kind of person you can quite happily stop seeing as a person after about five minutes contact and instead a heavily annoying thing that must be killed and removed from your life - if they havent actually made the first attack themselves.
They enjoy drugs, the poor/young ones hooked on cheap cider (like beer, but made out of apples so much less expensive, and only really enjoyable for the first two glasses - hope im not being too patronising here

) and horrible rough brands of cigarette, the older ones moving on to the ever present Carling lager. Those who find this stuff not strong enough then go quite quickly through hash to cocaine and heroin, amphetamines, pills, regardless of whether they can afford it, and naturally go on to cause even more trouble when jacked up, or trying to "borrow" some money to pay for their habit.
They drive Vauxhall novas and corsas, citroen saxos, peugeot 205s, ford orions and every kind of Fiat, always the low displacement models, with hugeonormous wings, bodykits, fake exhaust pipes, ugly graphics/paintjobs, cheap generic alloy wheels from the local expensive car parts retailer (characterised often by very thin spokes - less metal = cheaper..) and fit lexus lights and quad headlamps regardless of whether they suit the car. The more aspirational ones might graduate to ruining a perfectly good Golf GTi (any age). Playing some pretty rubbish, commercialised music. If it's not charting and not churned out by a pop factory, it aint worth listening to. Jimi Hendrix does not exist.
Their housing is the tower block (more New York tenament than classy high-rise apartment building) and the "Council Estate" - single-entrance access miniature towns of cheap housing built by local government in the 60s and 70s to give the less well off people somewhere to live either for free (on benefit) or cheaply (on low incomes) by renting direct rather than from a landlord. It kind of backfired, as all the scum naturally went to live there.. Burnt out cars littering the streets, roads with no windows, drug abusers openly shooting up, that kind of thing (ok maybe not that bad everywhere, but fairly grim and threatening places to live).

The problem of the situation is.... is it the upbringing? Is it the environment? Or something that's just inherent in a person's genes that disposes him or her into this kind of behaviour? It's hard to be sure... there'll be rotten apples everywhere of course, and there's more than likely far more people being terrorised on each estate or in each tower than are doing the terrorising - but it's starting to look like a disease of the whole tree.
Part of it seems to be a breakdown of general discipline in this country and a removal of a lot of the human face of the law and education to concentrate on the easier, more numerically quantifiable and mechanically enforcable kind of results - e.g. ploughing money into CCTV which may not give a decent picture or ever be watched instead of well trained security staff, speed cameras instead of proper driver training and police patrols, concentration on league-table boosting exam results at school rather than everything else... etc etc. The police are unwilling to attend anything but major crime scenes any more as they're badly understaffed (and so when they are having an easy time, this leads to a rebound where laziness sets in), if you get robbed or attacked it seems a weapon and a mother with child probably has to get involved before they'll put the blue lights on their car to get to you quickly (the patrol unit that came to my "aid" was driving so leisurely that i could cycle quicker - good job the crazy woman didn't come back with a knife!). Police can get sued for putting handcuffs on a murderer too tightly, farmers have gone to prison for shooting at persistent burglars after being told the police can't do anything about it, parents won't be allowed to chastise their children anything other than verbally any more if certain "liberal" (ha!) groups get their way (i've seen the results of a house that runs on shouting rather than punishing the children with a short, painful but non-damaging slap on the backside or taking toys/food away - the results aren't pretty and are loud), teachers can get in trouble for going even so far as to shout ----- so on and so forth. There's no holdbacks any more and perhaps chav-ism is just a signal of impending anarchy.

Oh and they love football, or at least pretend to in huge swathes as an excuse to go abroad and hit foreigners.

*ok, the shiny polyester tracksuit and white baseball cap havent actually ever gone away... just become less gaudy of late, probably because of dayglo inks no longer being affordable or something.

Hope thats of some use, I know it's long, but that should give a good explanation.