pardon?
also....... fine machines like this would fall prey to the evil scrap-b*stards!
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lol this country doesnt even have a consitution
but...
stealth driving taxes rar rar rar
driving, even in this country is still heavily subsidised by the government.
how much do car crashes cost the nhs? cost the highways agency? cost emergency services? relevant administration around?
how much does it actually cost to make roads? how much does it actually cost to maintain them?
and if your a greeny at heart, how much are we destroying the environment? both in ecological ways and asthetic ways?
i think if we had to each pay our share of this total cost of everything, driving would be a lot more expensive.
anyways,
new zealand is where i wanna go lol
but...
stealth driving taxes rar rar rar
driving, even in this country is still heavily subsidised by the government.
how much do car crashes cost the nhs? cost the highways agency? cost emergency services? relevant administration around?
how much does it actually cost to make roads? how much does it actually cost to maintain them?
and if your a greeny at heart, how much are we destroying the environment? both in ecological ways and asthetic ways?
i think if we had to each pay our share of this total cost of everything, driving would be a lot more expensive.
anyways,
new zealand is where i wanna go lol
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Who said we do have a constitution?13twelve wrote:lol this country doesnt even have a consitution
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driving, even in this country is still heavily subsidised by the government.
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i think if we had to each pay our share of this total cost of everything, driving would be a lot more expensive.
You make it sound like the government has it's own money to subsidise highways and motoring.. we do pay our fair share to the total cost of everything, because these 'subsidies' as you call them are paid for by the tax payer. The money raised from VED pays for highway maintenance, expansion etc, the NHS is funded by other taxes. Whichever tax it comes from, it's still our money paying for it, it's not like the government magics it out of nowhere..
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well i've spouted enough bull and nothing much has happened because of it... either 1. they're doing nothing 2. they're watching and waiting 3. they have a psych profile on me and reckon i'm all mouth 
4. mind control is the way forwards my brothers.......
now i wouldnt mind putting a bit more in the coffers for the priveleged right to jolly around the countryside burning up irreplacable hydrocarbons and producing toxic greenhouse emissions in a big metal death machine ..... but so long as it's all above board like. thats the problem. when the government "think they can get away with hiding stealth taxes under the carpet" according to various observers, most of the time..... they can. so a relatively low car tax (and tax on insurance! insurance in the USA is MENTAL) exists, but they recoup it everywhere else...
and not even the money generated from the supertax on petrol, and the license-damaging quasi-tax on travelling at a speed more suitable to your and your cars abilities gets spent wisely where it should be --- back into the roads for upkeep (and - re/new building!), into research for renewable energy resources and the suitably powered, efficient vehicles to use them, railways, and hospitals. but it goes everywhere... small increase in income tax would cover that though. we don't actually pay a typically high rate of income tax, by the way...
4. mind control is the way forwards my brothers.......now i wouldnt mind putting a bit more in the coffers for the priveleged right to jolly around the countryside burning up irreplacable hydrocarbons and producing toxic greenhouse emissions in a big metal death machine ..... but so long as it's all above board like. thats the problem. when the government "think they can get away with hiding stealth taxes under the carpet" according to various observers, most of the time..... they can. so a relatively low car tax (and tax on insurance! insurance in the USA is MENTAL) exists, but they recoup it everywhere else...
and not even the money generated from the supertax on petrol, and the license-damaging quasi-tax on travelling at a speed more suitable to your and your cars abilities gets spent wisely where it should be --- back into the roads for upkeep (and - re/new building!), into research for renewable energy resources and the suitably powered, efficient vehicles to use them, railways, and hospitals. but it goes everywhere... small increase in income tax would cover that though. we don't actually pay a typically high rate of income tax, by the way...
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back to the top.............. lest we forget
when you've got the tories lining up with the liberals to decry your latest "house arrest" bill as dangerously open to misinterpretation and likely to deprive people of their civil rights etc (which i have the impression is something they've never had much trouble with, on a small scale) ... you MUST realise something's wong.
when you've got the tories lining up with the liberals to decry your latest "house arrest" bill as dangerously open to misinterpretation and likely to deprive people of their civil rights etc (which i have the impression is something they've never had much trouble with, on a small scale) ... you MUST realise something's wong.
http://www.oldbikemart.co.uk/thisissue.html
See the section headed "Bright future for classics?"
Still - don't give up hope just yet:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 10,00.html
Deek.
See the section headed "Bright future for classics?"
Still - don't give up hope just yet:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 10,00.html
Deek.
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and hopefully the opposition parties can push hard enough with the stuff mentioned today about getting a concession on this legistlation re: having it go before a jury or at least a judge before anyone gets locked up.
whether they'll listen to the judge, and who it might be (one with labour / authoritarian / anti-terrorist / etc leanings?) is another matter... shreds of hope at least.
thank f**k we're not yet a one party state! think we can at least feel slight comfort that if THAT were tried there'd be a big ass pile of trouble
whether they'll listen to the judge, and who it might be (one with labour / authoritarian / anti-terrorist / etc leanings?) is another matter... shreds of hope at least.
thank f**k we're not yet a one party state! think we can at least feel slight comfort that if THAT were tried there'd be a big ass pile of trouble
The cash thats supposed to be spent on the road structure must be paying for a lot of dancing girls and foreign holidays as i don't know if anyone else has noticed but the roads around here are unfit for a horse and cart.
If murder was legal *or i had a guarentee of not being caught* i would shoot tony mohammed bush in his scottish head.
Just incase that didn't trip a warning light at mI5...bomb, downing street, terror, kill, blackboard *another outlawed word* st george < probably a racist comment by now
If murder was legal *or i had a guarentee of not being caught* i would shoot tony mohammed bush in his scottish head.
Just incase that didn't trip a warning light at mI5...bomb, downing street, terror, kill, blackboard *another outlawed word* st george < probably a racist comment by now
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you hear the thing about two different lawsuits being filed against TRL and the contractors who built certain major roads up north?
in the first instance, for not doing proper tests on new-style "SMA" tarmac (the super-smooth type - its too smooth for its own good) ... apparently for as much as 2 to 3 years after it's laid, it remains dangerously slippy, as part of it's special makeup, besides being smoothed out mirror-flat, is how even the top layer of gravel stones are tar-coated. Over a certain speed (or even just load - for trucks) the friction from the tyres of a braking vehicle, particularly if they lock, heats the bitumen up enough that it melts....... voila..... instant aquaplane..... IN THE DRY.
So it wasn't just my bloody imagination that the grip on those new smooth surfaces sucked! For once, speed does kill! (the irish transport authority has banned it on all but 20 and 30mph roads). Looks like it's been put down in a couple places round my way, recently, as part of resurfacing. Right by some tricky junctions in a 40 limit no less, but not even with the slippery-road triangle and "new road surface" plates used in derbyshire after this problem came to light.
after all that however, it's likely going to stay - it's far better for driver comfort, longevity and road noise - and once the sheen has worn off (minimum of 3-4 months even on hammered roads like the M25) it's even a little grippier than normal in all conditions, which is what led TRL to reccommend its widespread use in the first place after a somewhat rubbish testing procedure.
As for the contractors, particularly those who worked on the M60 and M1-A1 link....... very bad drainage and run-off design (not to mention the subsistence, etc) which leads to enormous pools of standing water. Basically, you hit one, you can kiss control and possibly your arse goodbye. People have died in accidents caused by them, and many others have come close, hence - criminal proceedings are under way, similarly with the SMA problem (it vastly increases stopping distances, and certainly beyond what any driver would reasonably expect, so someone could conceivably be killed as an effect of the surface if they haven't already)
All part of cost-cutting problems, the funding just isnt there. Lots is being poured in, but it's a catch-up and damage limitation exercise by this point as it's been neglected that long. The funding certianly isnt there to ensure private companies (as responsible for those two roads) do a proper job rather than cutting corners and pocketing what meagre profit they can (or to ensure TRL carries out a full rather than dangerous cut-down set of tests).
I think the M6 toll might become a subject of this in future as well, as it's been built by a private company with very thin funding for much of the construction, particularly without enough subsidy --- sections of it are very good, certainly in the dry.... but it's SMA all the way, has suffered some subsistence already, haven't seen it in the wet, has the odd blind rise, and the junctions with the m42 and m6 are, in plain, bobbins. The crapness of the junctions with surface roads in between the two motorways deserves it's own page - plenty use of overly tight "trumpets" and stuff like that, which i've already almost spun out on because of crazy cambering and a long drawn-out bend, the type of nonsense you just dont see on regular motorways. Well maybe once in 300 miles but not one after the other on a 40 mile stretch of road. Kind of thing that the early autobahns and interstates used and then dropped as, although they were very cheap to put together, other slightly more costly ways that were far safer became popular.
Mind that I spun out in the dry on a more regular and quite grippy concrete type surface, (just) within the posted safe speed. In the wet, in a worse handling vehicle, wouldn't have stood a chance. How long til someone dies on one of those sliproads after losing control?
in the first instance, for not doing proper tests on new-style "SMA" tarmac (the super-smooth type - its too smooth for its own good) ... apparently for as much as 2 to 3 years after it's laid, it remains dangerously slippy, as part of it's special makeup, besides being smoothed out mirror-flat, is how even the top layer of gravel stones are tar-coated. Over a certain speed (or even just load - for trucks) the friction from the tyres of a braking vehicle, particularly if they lock, heats the bitumen up enough that it melts....... voila..... instant aquaplane..... IN THE DRY.
So it wasn't just my bloody imagination that the grip on those new smooth surfaces sucked! For once, speed does kill! (the irish transport authority has banned it on all but 20 and 30mph roads). Looks like it's been put down in a couple places round my way, recently, as part of resurfacing. Right by some tricky junctions in a 40 limit no less, but not even with the slippery-road triangle and "new road surface" plates used in derbyshire after this problem came to light.
after all that however, it's likely going to stay - it's far better for driver comfort, longevity and road noise - and once the sheen has worn off (minimum of 3-4 months even on hammered roads like the M25) it's even a little grippier than normal in all conditions, which is what led TRL to reccommend its widespread use in the first place after a somewhat rubbish testing procedure.
As for the contractors, particularly those who worked on the M60 and M1-A1 link....... very bad drainage and run-off design (not to mention the subsistence, etc) which leads to enormous pools of standing water. Basically, you hit one, you can kiss control and possibly your arse goodbye. People have died in accidents caused by them, and many others have come close, hence - criminal proceedings are under way, similarly with the SMA problem (it vastly increases stopping distances, and certainly beyond what any driver would reasonably expect, so someone could conceivably be killed as an effect of the surface if they haven't already)
All part of cost-cutting problems, the funding just isnt there. Lots is being poured in, but it's a catch-up and damage limitation exercise by this point as it's been neglected that long. The funding certianly isnt there to ensure private companies (as responsible for those two roads) do a proper job rather than cutting corners and pocketing what meagre profit they can (or to ensure TRL carries out a full rather than dangerous cut-down set of tests).
I think the M6 toll might become a subject of this in future as well, as it's been built by a private company with very thin funding for much of the construction, particularly without enough subsidy --- sections of it are very good, certainly in the dry.... but it's SMA all the way, has suffered some subsistence already, haven't seen it in the wet, has the odd blind rise, and the junctions with the m42 and m6 are, in plain, bobbins. The crapness of the junctions with surface roads in between the two motorways deserves it's own page - plenty use of overly tight "trumpets" and stuff like that, which i've already almost spun out on because of crazy cambering and a long drawn-out bend, the type of nonsense you just dont see on regular motorways. Well maybe once in 300 miles but not one after the other on a 40 mile stretch of road. Kind of thing that the early autobahns and interstates used and then dropped as, although they were very cheap to put together, other slightly more costly ways that were far safer became popular.
Mind that I spun out in the dry on a more regular and quite grippy concrete type surface, (just) within the posted safe speed. In the wet, in a worse handling vehicle, wouldn't have stood a chance. How long til someone dies on one of those sliproads after losing control?
Hmm. Didn't know about the lawsuits. But, you do realise that under PFI all the financial (and design) control (other than revenue) is held by the private concerns. So you can't really argue that funding is limited. They could have had as much funding as they sought to gain financing for. It's all a question of how quickly they wanted to reach pay-back (in extremely simplfiied terms).Tahrey1043 wrote:lots of stuff
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some thin shred of hope there
if you read the details it still looks like Clarkey hasnt given much away and used the whole cynical mind-changing gambit as a way to sweep the whole jib through parliament without a proper discussion
hmmmm
i think we're a plasterboard partition and a dictionary definition away from a loon-led dictatorship here. thats what its called when one party assumes absolute power isnt it?
and possibly 3 square meals from barbarism
Worse still i cant actually get my own mother to agree with me on this one - she believes in maximum stoppage of terrorists (as her favourite pub used to be the one blown up by the IRA in the 70s) even if it means crapping on the civil rights of sixty million people in order to stop a very small number of madmen. She has some good points, but appears to have walked right into the propaganda trap.
some thin shred of hope there
if you read the details it still looks like Clarkey hasnt given much away and used the whole cynical mind-changing gambit as a way to sweep the whole jib through parliament without a proper discussion
hmmmm
i think we're a plasterboard partition and a dictionary definition away from a loon-led dictatorship here. thats what its called when one party assumes absolute power isnt it?
and possibly 3 square meals from barbarism
Worse still i cant actually get my own mother to agree with me on this one - she believes in maximum stoppage of terrorists (as her favourite pub used to be the one blown up by the IRA in the 70s) even if it means crapping on the civil rights of sixty million people in order to stop a very small number of madmen. She has some good points, but appears to have walked right into the propaganda trap.
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i'm just gonna watch my back in case she sends me to be re-Neduated...
hi diddly ho neighbours
now what you must realise about ned flanders, is that every "diddly" or other such word, is actually a mr mackey "mmkay" style placeholder for an adjective curseword, such as f***ing...
Hi f***ing ho neighbour!
hi diddly ho neighbours
now what you must realise about ned flanders, is that every "diddly" or other such word, is actually a mr mackey "mmkay" style placeholder for an adjective curseword, such as f***ing...
Hi f***ing ho neighbour!http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.p ... ge=1&pp=20
^^^
although socialism is bound up in a philosophy of control and equalisation, this will happen whatever political party happens to be in "power". after all, our elected representatives have very little say in "big" decisions of this nature.
anyway - we have eight years (possibly less) to enjoy ourselves, guys. let's make the most of it.
i've been following this debate for the past year or so, and believe me - it is happening. the mass populace won't realise what's going on until it really is too late and, by which time, they'll have bought the safety / road tolling / insurance angles hook, line and sinker. it's really just social engineering.
deek.
(goes off to check bank balance, and budgets for a fast, fun car while he can still buy one...)
^^^
although socialism is bound up in a philosophy of control and equalisation, this will happen whatever political party happens to be in "power". after all, our elected representatives have very little say in "big" decisions of this nature.
anyway - we have eight years (possibly less) to enjoy ourselves, guys. let's make the most of it.
i've been following this debate for the past year or so, and believe me - it is happening. the mass populace won't realise what's going on until it really is too late and, by which time, they'll have bought the safety / road tolling / insurance angles hook, line and sinker. it's really just social engineering.
deek.
(goes off to check bank balance, and budgets for a fast, fun car while he can still buy one...)