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Chat about your MKI or MKII Polo (86 and 86F)
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Post by Tahrey1043 »

Ouch, 50hp in a golf, never mind 50hp in a golf with a diesel lump (and, probably, a 4 speed box :shock:) ... 54 not much better. You'd be as well to get a 1.3 Spi with the five speed as anything. You could pull down some major economy with that (better than the 1.0, probably) and it would motor quite nicely, outperforming the golfs even if loaded up to match their kerb weight.

Then again 40mpg at 70-75 doesn't sound so bad for the age of the car, with a carb and the close-set gearing. It's possibly the carburettor that's making your consumption say consistently "low" (try comparing it to an american 4x4, i suppose :)) the rest of the time as well - consider that after 15 minutes it won't have long warmed up, so you'll have been on the choke and, figuratively speaking, throwing fuel away for at least half of the trip.
(this is why commuting by road is so inefficient, costly, and polluting a lot of the time, if you're not going far... and why widespread hybridisation / adoption of electric power could be a very cool thing)

(I dread to think what my economy is on the morning home->station dash in the astra, even though it's injection... coming back all chilled and not even exceeding 30mph probably isnt much better. It helps that it's only about a mile if not less..... so even if it's all of 10mpg, that's only about a gallon a week, which beats being late - and even though its 100% cold all the way, its not going far, so it wont be hurting much)
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Post by Gareth_GT_Hatch »

ive got some info on fuel econ figs from my 1989 range brochure. Doesnt have info on the GTD as that was more of a runout model (H/J reg, poss G reg)

Polo 1050 C
urban 36.2
56mph 50.4
75mph 37.7

coupe S
urban 33.6
56mph 54.3
75mph 39.8

ranger - bigger tyres than the coupe s makes a fair bit of difference!
urban 33.6
56mph 57.6
75mph 42.2

mk2 golf diesel

urban 44.1
56mph 62.8
75mph 44.8

mk2 golf turbo diesel

urban 43.5
56mph 60.1
75mph 42.2
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Post by GroovyCarrot »

My choke tends to be in within about 3 minutes of setting off.. only really makes a difference when you're idling and I don't do much of that, so I let it run that bit leaner.

Looking at those figures I guess urban is as close to what I do as it's going to get, so that's about right :? 50.4mpg at 56mph though? I've gotta try that... doesn't seem terribly realistic to me..
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Are there any other cars of around this age, type and price range which stand out as being particularly economical whilst not absolutely horrible to drive? Will be sticking with VW if there's not much choice, but if there really is a big difference in some models then I may have to reconsider.
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Post by Gareth_GT_Hatch »

citroen AX 1.5 diesel would be silly cheap on fuel, cheap tax as well. Unsure about reliability but diesels should be ok. I reckon those numbers cant be far wrong. Ive had 49mpg from my old GT when it was standard on a long mway journey, I was doing considerably more than 56mpg as well.
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http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/ca ... ull=SEARCH

I do have a bit of a soft spot for AX's :roll: I nearly bought a black N reg 1.1 forte for my first car. Really nippy and good on petrol. had leccy windows and an alarm and a load of other stuff. not sure I could fit in it properly though. :P
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Post by GroovyCarrot »

After a bit of research, it looks like I'm looking at AX, 106, 205, Fiesta and Clio. Exciting stuff :roll: Mind you, the AX and 106 look like quite fun, if a bit flimsey.. and the 205 would be nice from the angle of a bit more space. Probably won't bother after all this, off to uni at the end of september and won't take the car with me.. but it's just possible.
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Post by Gareth_GT_Hatch »

the 205 has a bigger diesel engine in, not sure on size. probably in the region of 1.6 litres, maybe a bit more. the 106 is the pugeot version of the AX and has the same 1.5 diesel engine. (older ones have the 1.4 too IIRC but 1.5 is by far the better of the two)
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Post by nuttinnew »

I'd been pondering summat similar myself for my mk1...I was gutted to find that the 1.4tdi isn't based on the mk3 1.4 lump :cry:
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Shhh. 8)
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might be able to supercharge it... :mrgreen:
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Or use a Rothe kit :P
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Post by Tahrey1043 »

But groovy, do you REALLY want to go back to an AX after the Polo? I was quite interested in having one once from the figures, but the driving position (i have legs rather than cocktail sticks, and so couldnt reach the brake), safety record (or the extreme opposite of), distinct lack of interior space (back seat = urgh) etc put me off once I'd been for a fitting and done more research.

Plus it's a Saxo without the refinement!

I think if you ARE getting 40mpg at 70, 50mpg at 56 isn't so unrealistic - in fact the linear "speed x mpg = constant for a certain gear" ready reckoner says that's spot on.
you could always cram the largest possible wheels onto the 1.0..... see if that makes a difference.

for the record, mk3 1.0 is more like 41mpg @ 75, 54.5 @ 56, 40.5 urban.... and thats for the 4sp! small difference but significant i think. (5sp is, oddly, 42/57/39.5... sounds like they were taking it easy but not shifting very intelligently round town)
doing the whole 56mph truck-hugging thing was where i pulled down 66mpg between bournemouth and brum (160 miles in 11 litres), but that WAS with some heavy duty slipstreaming (truck tailgating).

a modern diesel will see you right for about that 75mph figure closer to 90mph....
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Post by GroovyCarrot »

Well, no, not really.. if anything I'd like my second car to be a tad larger than the polo. However, 55mpg without trying is a very attractive proposition, as is 65mpg if I take it gently. I know what you mean about the rear seat though, used to get lifts in the back of a friend's AX 1.1, seriously cramped.. but then I think that's really for my friends to deal with if they're the ones who want a lift places.
Filled up yesterday and clocked 39.8mpg from pottering around here, so things are looking up a tad. I think realistically it's too late to be bothering getting a new car this close to leaving for uni, if I'm returning figures in the region of 40mpg.. although, if anyone does happen to hear of a 1.4d or an Oko-diesel floating around, I could be interested :D
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Post by Tahrey1043 »

*nudges and points at certain navy blue monstrosity* :lol: lol
injection, and, who knows, might actually get overhauled

i'd be tempted to say the rear space in an AX is even worse than in an oldskool Panda (not so bad once you got used to running your knees up and down the driver's / front passenger's ribs)... but it probably has the advantage of the rear wheels being further back so the arches dont protrude into the passenger cabin!

maybe your economy will get better as the weather warms up?
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