awwwwwwwwwwwww P1SSFLAPS

[Tahrey1043]

i'm going to do something novel and let these chunky-style pictures speak for themselves*
dont worry they're 56k friendly - less than 240k / 45 secs loading overall



* almost. i'd like to invite comments and more particularly suggestions, as frankly i'm a bit shagged here. the intention was to have it running tonight, and i was well on course for that until i noticed the new belt refused to properly engage the crank sprocket... I *could* just put the old pump and belt back on - i think they'd be good to go with a *very* careful clean, as they're almost certainly still safe... at least until they could be properly replaced. (obviously not an optimal situation)
PS how crazy would i have to act in order to get off an unlawful killing charge on the grounds of diminished responsibility?

worst bit is, i think i bought that cambelt from a vw dealer on anglesey, so it'd be a bit of a jaunt

edit: balls to it, i'll put the head on ANYWAY

[LogIK]

Yeah, you've bought the wrong waterpump and cambelt. You need the square tooth ones, and not the round tooth ones that you have there.

Take them back and they will change them for you.

[metz]

your GSF monkeys are as stupid as mine...they tried selling me GT spark plugs at g40 prices..er..yea right monkey..get yer specs on and read the engine code for me.

[LogIK]

Unless you specify the year of the car, it seems that they assume you want the round tooth ones.

But yes, GSF are monkeys, giving me s**t big-end bearings and incorrect piston rings.

[Tahrey1043]

aw phooey

bet they'll want a receipt and a restocking fee, too

(which to be honest i should have for the pump, and it wont be too expensive)

worst is that the belt actually came from a VW garage - which I parked the car outside of, and the parts guy had already come out to look over it for the ol' ignition problem (ie he's the first one who diagnosed "those leads are rubbish boyo") ... gaaa!

oh well they're hardly pricey. problem is that i wont be able to make it there before the weekend. However I now know that putting the new belt and pump in shouldn't be too much of a bind (apart from having to drain the coolant AGAIN!) if I decide to throw caution to the wind and use the old ones

cheers guys
(both types should be available, right?)

[Tahrey1043]

actually looking at gsf's site i should be able to get both quite easily with an internet order by thursday
(or maybe ecp or somewhere similar if i have a webjaunt)

and it wasnt actually their fault

i think its probably vw's

would i be right in guessing that the square notches are more of a mk2 thing, and are only found on my mk3 as it was made in october 1990 - therefore being bloody old by 2F standards, and suffering from a bad case of Using Up The Old Parts Stock?
(need to know, really, as i have my eye on ordering a mk2 water pump and belt... though the belts more of a sure bet as it says SQUARE TEETH on the listing )

(i also think i will simply sell the "wrong" new parts rather than trying to return them - not worth it - plus the restock fees along with loss on not being able to return cambelt would compare fairly with resale depreciation and postage)

[GroovyCarrot]

Ach, yes, early mk3's used the same square toothed belt setup that was found on the old mk2's. Order yourself some mk2 items and you'll be fine. May as well get the belt from gsf while you're getting the pump replaced, I imagine it'll be a fair bit cheaper than the stealers, and I've already proven that they're perfectly sturdy by running one for several months with a rip half way across it a short while ago

[Tahrey1043]

hahaha you can have my old dirty one if you like then, return of post with the ring compressor (and powdered lagers) ... just needs a scrub up and it'll be ready to go fair sight more reliable than a torn one i'll wager!

any early claimants on the pump and round-tooth belt?
hell, would anyone like the old pump as an emergency replacement? FOC (plus postage..)?

[GroovyCarrot]

Nah, s'alright, my torn belt disappeared the moment I realised what had happened.. I only noticed it because the car was making a slightly odd noise at idle, which it had been doing for months. This is how badly gone it was though:



Never worked out what caused it either, that was a new belt

[Tahrey1043]

wasnt a funny kind of whistly squeaky noise was it?

because the astra's doing that right now, all the time that the engine runs.. and it's getting on for (vauxhall) change-the-belt miles

(if im lucky its just the alternator belt, or maybe the clutch)

in other news i got lazy and just paid gsf for the new bits as couldnt be arsed to shop around, got too many other things to do
like writing reports that should have been in three days ago, but arent quite done... because the very person b*tching about their lateness engineered the demise of my one-afternoon-a-week "study time" that i'd previously get that stuff sorted in (never underestimate the power of 4 uninterrupted hours graft per week). instead i'm having to do it in my own, already busy time.

even coughed up, covered in blood and phlegm, the courier charge so it'll actually have a half chance of turning up before tuesday. (just want it finished before my mum gets back from hols late friday so i can point at it purring away with a defiant grin)

[SpikeyG40]

pictures of my cambelt on the g40 when i bought it! when the car was started, it made a horrible noise, thought it was the charger, but turned out to be the slack belt! i think i was very lucky! got the belt as a souvineer (sp?)

[Tahrey1043]

great the IT bods at work have blocked Imageshack! (losers...) so now i can't see my own old pics for reference or your new ones

anyway...

i was looking because the courier turned up here today (now thats service, but then i am paying thru nose). stuff supplied looks good but sneaking suspicion its the round ones again. it's hard to really tell by eye and memory if it's sqaurer/wider set than the others. at least they go together so i know theres no mismatch there. will have to wait til i get home now

[GroovyCarrot]

Nah, not a whistling sort of noise, just a rough idle. Kinda blip in the idle every time the snapped section passed over a pulley. Reminded me of pretty much every mk4 ford escort I've ever heard..

[Tahrey1043]

yeah but thats their big ends going after never having had a proper oil change out of warranty

something like every cinquecento ive heard recently? (not that theres been many of them, the rust 'n' accident gods must have claimed nearly the whole lot by now!)

ANYWAY
got the things home
changed
went to a works night out (meet 'n' greet the team of our new PET-CT centre)
came back to find....

THEY FIT!!

<aceventura> liiiike aaa gluuurve...</aceventura>

so pumps in, belts half on ("trapped", at least), as are both inner covers, and the alternator pulley, plus the engines no longer jacked up

however i now have two "oopses" to remedy (hence a degree both of joy and sadness in my ice cream)

1/ accidentally had the wrench set to FAR too high a torque after trying to get the crank bolt out, and then started doing up the mount bolts. the smarter / more experienced 'n' wise amongst you might be able to guess what happened when i tried to put 125Nm thru a 25Nm bolt. hopefully you can tell me how to fix it too... thanks to the meaty thru-bolt, properly torqued other retaining bolt, and the weight of the block on the fitting i dont think itll be going anywhere soon, but it looks bad, yknow?

2/ i seem to have "misplaced" my head dowels ("put in a safe place and forgot" is another good way of putting it, as is "lost" and "gleefully threw away in a fit of madness")..... which has shut the whole thing down for the night, just as i was seconds from putting the new gasket on and resting the head atop it. garn.
worst thing is i cant remember what they look like, are made of, or even if they were there in the first place (...surely the car wasnt built without them, was it??)

well...... work tomoz.... nighty night!

EDIT imageshack works on THIS computer..... christ dan/doug that was lucky! nice souvenir..... and we now have a scary example of what extreme rope-burn can do
*goes off to double check new belt is centred on sprocket... and whether the astras missing any teeth*

[LogIK]

So what bolts have you sheared? One of the four allen bolts around the pulley? You tried to put 125NM through those

The dowels you are talking about are locating dowels to locate the gasket in the correct position while the head goes on. Neither of my engines have had these.

The best way I found to do it was to get someone to give you a hand and hold the gasket in a relatively straight position. Place two head bolts in the head, diagonally apart and as you lower the head into position, the bolts will act as dowels and locate the gasket in the correct position.