N75 Valves and VAGCOM Codes

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N75 Valves and VAGCOM Codes

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After getting my Milltek ans FMIC on recently i thought i would try my N75J valve again. Fitted it in place of the standard N75 and went out a run and again it seems to be over boosting! :evil: Seems they are only really suited to AGU engines! Anyway, has anyone fitted the H valve? Wondered if this would be less aggresive than than the J valve?? :?

Gave the car a scan with VAGCOM

2 codes showing up:

16520 P0136 O2 Sensor Circuit - Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 2 A

16622 - Manifold Pressure / Boost Sensor (G31): Signal too High
P0238 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
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Is the Milltek bigger bore than standard and does the MAP sensor sit in the FMIC or on the intake?

I'm still quite new to the 1.8T engine, but it would seem logical to me that after changing 3 major components, all of which influence turbo behaviour, then it's not unusual to expect some side effects.

Does the N75J valve need the ECU remapping to suit? I know they're all N75 valves on the outside, but has anyone actually tested and checked they all behave the same way for the same given PWM signal? Because if they don't, the signal the ECU sends to the valve the car was shipped with won't have the same effect, i.e. won't pull the boost back far enough, or pull it too much, then the ECU gets itself in a muckin fuddle and moans about overboosting.

Bosch ME7 has torque limiting (yes, it knows how much torque your engine is making), to try and prevent spin in the lower gears, so your FMIC at this time of year could, well, WILL increase torque and the ECU is having to pull it back harder.

I would put the original valve the car was mapped with back in and then look at getting another map down for the N75J specifically?
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Kenny,

N75J should work ok... unless maybe you installed it the wrong way round... sounds daft but I have seen this before when a customer has fitted wrong and boost is all over the place... way to high !!!

N75H ... Defo NO NO NO

and sounds like your second lambda is dead... perhaps unit/wires damaged when the sports cat was put on ???? It is a different error if its just measuring incorrect emissions...."out of effieciency" or something like that....

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Cheers for the info guys, was driving into my work today and was giving in foot down in 2nd gear and i can still slightly feel the boost pulsing on/off and thats with the standard N75 valve. Very annoying!! Its not a noticeable as when i had the J valve in but its still there. Any ideas what could be causing it????


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Our 100% standard Polo does the exact same boost on/off thing aswell, and it is indeed VERY annoying and is why my Corrado Turbo has a manual boost controller.

Electronic boost control, in my experience, has always been very hit and miss.

I've replaced the dump valve (with another VW one) and it made zero difference.

I just put it down to crappy VW mapping and we try and ignore it.
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Marcopolo.... you are spot on... the electronic boost control... ie N75.. is Cr*p... and the ECU's unfortunately pick up on it... and try too hard to control everything...

I've never liked these little N75 type things.... bring back the old school and the Bleed Valve !!

Thats why we try to make software smoooooooth ...
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your map sensor may be goosed tba, and the o2 thing i had when i left it unplugged?? dont do the j valve i did and it causes all sorts of problems its pants on polos! Also try putting the normal n75 on disconnect the batter for 10-15mins reconnect and try that , as it should wipe the learned values, just take it easy for 20 miles then see how it is! :P :P
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more-bhp wrote:Marcopolo.... you are spot on... the electronic boost control... ie N75.. is Cr*p... and the ECU's unfortunately pick up on it... and try too hard to control everything...

I've never liked these little N75 type things.... bring back the old school and the Bleed Valve !!

Thats why we try to make software smoooooooth ...
A lot of people hated the laggy, smelly, gas guzzling turbo cars of the 80s (I didn't!) but do you know what? I miss them! Turbo engines these days try to be so smooth, you wonder if the engine is actually turboed at all! BMW 335i for example! Try one if you haven't already....see if you can detect a boost hit!

Boost should come in like a shot of Absinthe rather than Kiora! But I'm a bit old school with my turbo engines like that....

Think I'll be calling you up in the future for a map more-bhp!
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my map i got off more bhp is nice and agressive kicks in nice and hard , the main thing is it feels fast !! :P :P :P when mines comes out of the garage ill be getting stage 2 :P
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On stage one you could feel the turbo kicking in, but with stage 2 i dont as much, dont get me wrong mid range is so much more aggresive and smoother but sometimes i feel the car not pulling as hard 3rd,4th and 5th especially at the higher revs where it did on stage one :( Emailed a company called Star Performance today about a live custom map www.starperformance.co.uk i have never read a bad review on any sites like SCN and briskoda etc. Had a shot in a guys Ibiza Cupra with there map on it and it went like fook!! Very aggresive :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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i think bigger turbo is the answer... the K03s is small and can spool so quick..probably too quick.... so that it all gets carried away...

now when we do TT225s/S3s with K04 running 1.5bar.... they are much more consistent on the boost... but they are bigger so spool slightly slower.. and its all under control....

Marcopolo... we can make boost come smashing in on the 1.8T but then everytime you get like a stall at 3200rpm..... they are all the same... then 4-500 rpm later they go mental again... but its not so nice to drive like that.....and all these cars are now DBW... no we can make the slightest touch of the accelerator make the car take off.. but sometimes that gets on your nerves....

having driven so many I personally now prefer... a good steady and progressive delivery of power.. which can be done with lower boost given the correct fueling and timing, etc, etc, etc...

So thats why I want a BIG turbo delivering low boost...its the way to go IMO... and thats what I'm looking at sorting....
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more-bhp wrote:So thats why I want a BIG turbo delivering low boost...its the way to go IMO... and thats what I'm looking at sorting....
I second that notion!

My mate's old Corrado is a good example of what turbo sizing can achieve on the 1.8T. He used a big port AGU head on a 225 block + GT28RS. He kept it simple, so DTA management was used along with a cable throttle. It was a basic open loop map with manual boost controller and made 350hp - 340lb ft @ 1 bar.
1 bar from a K04 makes, what, 210-220hp, so quite a difference in flow!

The downside though as you've said, is lag. But for me personally, I don't find uber boost below 3500rpm to be particularly useful in a FWD car. It's better to get some momentum in the car before the boost comes on song, which reduces tyre slip and also gives the gearbox and easier life.

The pay off for the slower spool up is of course a much beefier mid to top end.
My mate's pulled harder in 4th and 5th from 3500 to 7K than the stock engine does in 1st and 2nd from 2000rpm. And the best bit was peak torque held all the way to 7K, so it had a massive midrange power band.

Just have to watch the gearbox with that kind of grunt though!
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thats why I have the full 3" exhaust being put on in favour of the milltek... the extra flow will be great with the BIG turbo...

but like you say... need to get the diff changed sometime soon... oh and the clutch... but no problem to do that if the box is coming out anyway...

ATP high flow cast manifold sat there waiting.. just have other bits to do aswell...
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Good man, will be watching your progress closely.

Make sure the port alignment is up to scratch with the ATP. I've had problems with their manifolds in the past where they hadn't drilled the exhaust stud holes in the right place, meaning the gaskets were all askew and leaked / partially blocked the ports.
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Well I will put the ATP manifold on tomorrow... and thanks for the info.. I'll double check it all lines up, etc..

The exhaust is on... 2x 3inch round tips... 3" full system inc decat...

Pictures and video .. coming soon....

And I'll start another thread... 3" system is exclusive to More-BHP ;-)
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